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| bell-auto-services Member Since: 08 Jul 2007 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 2232   
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blackwolf, it is a little confusing I agree.
Ive also done the PI or PLIP removal with both the nanocom and IID without problems, I can only assume the OP has not done the Renew security ID which could be needed done to repair the modules after the config is changed. My first post was more to highlight total removal of passive and active immo (total 10as removal) would require engine calibration modification. |
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28th Aug 2018 9:43pm |
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| johnnyd Member Since: 13 Apr 2013 Location: Chippenham Posts: 1006 
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Indeed.....this is all I want to do, not disable the immobiliser entirely........
JD 2008 TDCi 2.4 XS CSW |
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28th Aug 2018 9:53pm |
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| bell-auto-services Member Since: 08 Jul 2007 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 2232
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Johnny,, may I ask why you wanted the plips removed in the first place ?
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28th Aug 2018 9:56pm |
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| johnnyd Member Since: 13 Apr 2013 Location: Chippenham Posts: 1006
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My truck has a recent very intermittent fault where it would not start in France and I needed recovery, It always starts next morning though, it seems immobiliser based, it turns over 3 or 4 times every time, then stops, it does not fire. All the lists and forums seemed to suggest first thing to do was disable the passive immobiliser first......hence why I bought the tool....... 2008 TDCi 2.4 XS CSW
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29th Aug 2018 7:08am |
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| bell-auto-services Member Since: 08 Jul 2007 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 2232
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ok makes sense, Im sure I was called about your very car whilst you was away.
To me it seems like you have a wiring fault going on, or a failing 10as module or most common recently an instrument pack pcb failure which does not always carry the immo signal from the 10as to the engine ecu and turn the LED out on the dash also is most cases. The instrument wire bypass is an easy for a test and can be left like that without it causing problems. see picture below of two wires to join up... This is not a tool fault, this is a car not playing ball fault of which as you say is intermittent.  Click image to enlarge Last edited by bell-auto-services on 29th Aug 2018 7:25am. Edited 1 time in total |
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29th Aug 2018 7:15am |
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| johnnyd Member Since: 13 Apr 2013 Location: Chippenham Posts: 1006
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Hi Pete, we were in Britanny, it was around 12 Aug I think around 1900 local time......Does the fault become any clearer if I also say recently ie within the last 2 years, I have had a new ignition switch fitted, and more recently the steering box replaced for dripping oil.........? This fault was not evident until these works were carried out ?
Also Pete, I did send you a PM a week or so ago, to see if a remap I bought from you can be added to the tool ? it was originally on the older green/black tool which I still have..... JD 2008 TDCi 2.4 XS CSW |
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29th Aug 2018 7:25am |
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| bell-auto-services Member Since: 08 Jul 2007 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 2232
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May be it was the recent IGN switch wirk that's caused it but hard to say for sure.
For mapping info you need to mail me direct, I do not always get PM on the forum when out and about, their is an option to pay a part remap fee and have the remap added to IID yes, but please email me. But for now I think its best you get it going reliably again first. |
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29th Aug 2018 7:30am |
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| keef9t Member Since: 13 Mar 2016 Location: manchester Posts: 172 
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Am I the only one who reads these posts and am humbled by the knowledge and expertise that some forum members have, whilst at the same time, not understanding a dam word they say. Life is short, so have your pudding first
--------------------------------------------- 2007 90 2.4Tdci County HT Stornaway Discovery 1 200Tdi Sold 90 Turbo Diesel HT Sold 110 2.5NA CSW Stolen 88 Series II Sold Meccano Set. Don't know what happened to that |
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30th Aug 2018 7:47pm |
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| johnnyd Member Since: 13 Apr 2013 Location: Chippenham Posts: 1006
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OK so I have now borrowed a nanocom from someone on the forum, if I reset the 10as using the utility in the nanocom, the truck starts again and behaves normally, if I then go back to the IID tool and only change the passive immobiliser setting to disabled, and write back the settings and then renew security ID, the truck will not start, the immobiliser is permanently on, I can reset it via the nanocom again and the truck starts normally. I can also disable passive immobiliser via the nanocom and the truck starts.
Unless I am missing something here, if I use the IID tool to disable the passive immobiliser, it breaks the 10AS config so the truck will not start, but I can do the same operation on the nanocom and everything continues working. JD 2008 TDCi 2.4 XS CSW |
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1st Sep 2018 2:10pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17516 
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That's not good, and I look forward to hearing what the experts have to say. If you'll excuse me I won't try the same thing myself in case I have the same issue.
At least with the Nanocom you have achieved what you want, namely the PI turned off but everything else working. You've possibly also discovered a way to make the vehicle harder to steal if you need to leave it parked somewhere! |
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1st Sep 2018 2:21pm |
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| johnnyd Member Since: 13 Apr 2013 Location: Chippenham Posts: 1006
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Blackwolf, if you have time, could you post screen shots of the two settings pages in the nanocom of the 10as settings, I just want to check nothing else has been corrupted, my nanocom has arrived
Also, reading through a lot of threads on other forums, I have found that for the passive immobiliser set to disabled to work, the setting of plip immobilise needs to be set to disabled also? ....HOW TO DISABLE THE PASSIVE IMMOBILIZER If you want to disable the passive immobilization you have to read the settings by means of the READ SETTING function, then modify the paramenter PLIP IMMOBILIZE and PASSIVE IMMOBILIZER as DISABLED. Write the new setting with the WRITE SETTING function....... This seems to be the only way it works on my green 10as, but I can still set/unset the immobiliser by key fob, so I am a bit confused what PLIP IMMOBILZE disabled actually does? Its how I want it, ie key fob still sets/unsets immobiliser, but just confused by that setting 2008 TDCi 2.4 XS CSW |
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7th Sep 2018 7:21am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17516
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I'll see what I can do, but it may take a little while.
I do not recall any issues in turning off PI whilst leaving all keyfob operations as standard, i.e., just turning off the (chronically unreliable) dialogue between the keyfob and the coil in the column. |
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7th Sep 2018 9:48am |
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| johnnyd Member Since: 13 Apr 2013 Location: Chippenham Posts: 1006
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Unless I change the Plip immobilise to disable also, like some of the instructions on forums say, with just passive immobilise disabled, my dash left hand immobiliser lamp starts flashing after 5 mins or so, so I am assuming that means that PI is still active? Be interesting to see what your plip immobilise setting is......
JD 2008 TDCi 2.4 XS CSW |
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7th Sep 2018 10:11am |
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