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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4217   
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Yes, I have. I had to spread my rings (
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However, you need to think about whether you want to use rear Jate rings for recovery. I have read that the rear chassis is not as strong as where the Jate rings fit at the front and so the holes could stretch. Mine are a stop gap until I can afford a receiver hitch with a proper recovery point. If I do need them I’ll connect both sides with bridle to share the load. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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15th Mar 2018 7:29pm |
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| KU310R Member Since: 16 May 2017 Location: Private Posts: 30 
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I don't want to damage the chassis in any way. After some more detail I managed to find a thread which discusses this issue in detail. My intention to install them was not for recovery as such as I don't go offroading in mud
I wanted to have a point which is secure enough to tow a car/ small van in the street. As I have the original dropping tow hitch (which I use quite often to tow a jetski) I don't think I can mount a recovery point on the crossmember. Any other suggestions? |
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15th Mar 2018 7:41pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4217
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You could just replace your towball with a combination ball and jaw Dixon Bate one. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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15th Mar 2018 7:42pm |
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| KU310R Member Since: 16 May 2017 Location: Private Posts: 30
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Thanks, haven't thought of that. Would the rest of the assembly be able to take the strain?
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15th Mar 2018 7:50pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4217
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I would think so, it’s made for exactly what you want to do with it. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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15th Mar 2018 8:10pm |
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| KU310R Member Since: 16 May 2017 Location: Private Posts: 30
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Great! Thanks once again!
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15th Mar 2018 8:11pm |
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| Def90 Member Since: 17 Jan 2015 Location: Kent Posts: 259 
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Hi KU310R
It can be done but it requires a little work! You can get them to fit the rear of a late 90 but it's a little tight between the fuel tank and the outer edge of the JAT ring, you can't see from the photos I only have 2-3mm clearance. The factory shipping/towing eyes just unbolt but you will need to drop the fuel tank to remove the original bolts that retain them. First fit a threaded insert into one side of the JAT ring so you don't have a nut or bolt head protruding as it would foul the fuel tank.  Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge You also will need to make a spacer for the outside of the chassis. Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge When I re installed the fuel tank I also fitted solid rubber pads either side of the fuel tank between the tank and the chassis rails as a precaution to stop the tank from moving from side to side and hitting the JAT ring as they are very close. Click image to enlarge On the pictures of the military defenders fitted with rear JAT rings that I have seen,it appears they re use the original factory shipping/towing eyes by swing them around and use them as a spacer for the JAT ring. I decided to make up some spacers as these shipping/towing eyes are 1.5mm too thin and you will crush the JAT ring when you tighten them up. These are not fitted as recovery points but are just for lashing down as per the original factory shipping/towing eyes. |
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15th Mar 2018 11:57pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17450 
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Did you bore out the hole in the JATE ring to fit that insert? I wonder how much the strength of the JATE ring has been compromised by the 50% or so reduction in material thickness around the most highly stressed part of the assembly, probably by around 50%. I would be very uneasy about doing that. |
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16th Mar 2018 9:32am |
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| Def90 Member Since: 17 Jan 2015 Location: Kent Posts: 259
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Hi blackwolf
Yes the retaining bolt hole was bored out to fit the reinforced threaded inserts and I don't disagree with you that it will in some way compromise the integral strength of the JATE ring. But as I don't intend to use them for heli lifts or as recover points, I'm sure they have retained enough structural integrity for my use as just for lashing down as per the original factory shipping/towing eyes. I also have them to the front but you don't need the threaded inserts to fit these. Click image to enlarge |
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16th Mar 2018 10:27pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Have you seen them fitted to the rear of 90s or just 110s? Do you know how they get around the issues you have had with space to fit? |
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17th Mar 2018 6:18am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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I don't think the tank clearance issue exists on MOD 90's as they all pre-date the rear mounted tank. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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17th Mar 2018 9:17am |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8059  
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am i missing something here? to two a car on the street its needed for and you have a std tow ball on the back?
either as already suggested fit a jaw and pin with towball combined or use a soft shackle over the tow ball. both will work. the former being better secure solution. the latter wont come off is tension is maintained. far better than using the Jate ring rear chassis setup. failing either of them fit a loop to the rear of the cross member with spreader plate on the inside. Cheers James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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17th Mar 2018 9:39am |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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Have seen a strap slide off towball when the strap was going 'uphill' from the towball.
Solution is to use a bungee strap wrapped around strap eye and tow ball. Worked well Brendan |
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17th Mar 2018 11:19am |
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| KU310R Member Since: 16 May 2017 Location: Private Posts: 30
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I have just onwned my defender for less than a year so I am still trying to learn new stuff as I am not a mechanic myself. I was looking for an alternative way to mayber tow someone in the street. I have read and saw several videos stating that you should never use the tow ball for recovery purposes since it is made to withstand downward force not a pulling force from the rear and it might break off and cause serious damage. From the help received from the posts above I have determined that the best solution might be to change the tow ball to a dixon-bate one. |
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17th Mar 2018 4:19pm |
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