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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769   
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Yes! Ray
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29th Dec 2017 5:04pm |
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| Mash Member Since: 09 Feb 2015 Location: Guernsey Posts: 1674  
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If they can pay to get themselves into the mess they can pay to recover and clean up after, including the transportation fees. 90 wolf - Jasmin http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic39408.html
90 V8 - Maggie http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic42564.html 110 TD5 - Buggsy http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic59029.html 52HG25 lightweight https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic72342.html D3 Hse - Fiona Capri 2l S - Anna Think I might have a problem............ |
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29th Dec 2017 5:19pm |
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| Sulisuli Member Since: 30 Oct 2016 Location: South west Posts: 4795  
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Totally agree, why not increase the cost of alcohol everywhere it is for sale including supermarkets and use the increase to fund the NHS? Alcohol is sometimes nice to have but not a life requirement like food so a small increase in the cost wouldnt be that noticeable would it? 2015 HT XS 90
2008 SVX 90 2000 XS TD5 90 |
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29th Dec 2017 5:28pm |
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| Birdy Member Since: 07 Oct 2011 Location: Côte d'Azur Posts: 868  
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"... why not increase the cost of alcohol everywhere it is for sale"
Where do you stop? Increase the cost of cigarettes and make people with lung cancer pay for their treatment? Stick a fatty tax on McDonalds to reduce obesity? But don't get me started on CPAP devices and Disobesity Scooters provided by the NHS. I've lost count of the number of times I've told an overweight acquaintance that I too would have damaged knees and ankles and need a machine to help me breathe if I went to bed at night with the equivalent of two sacks of potatoes laying on my chest (and yes, I do know that sleep apnoea etc. isn't ALWAYS associated with obesity). Peter Last edited by Birdy on 29th Dec 2017 5:58pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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29th Dec 2017 5:56pm |
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| shropshiredefender Member Since: 05 Jun 2017 Location: Shropshire Posts: 834 
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Being old and grumpy of course they should pay.
BUT How much, should a Hooray Henry (that dates me) pay the same as rough sleeper? Does the Drunk Tank system cost less per person processed than the cost to the NHS per A&E admission? If it does and young people are kept safe then why charge? |
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29th Dec 2017 5:57pm |
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| ickle Member Since: 22 Jul 2010 Location: South Vendee Posts: 1786 
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All those out drinking should be old enough to be adults and therefore pay for themselves, if below 18 then their parents should pay.
Also all those engaged in outdoor sports should be advised to have insurance cover to pay for their rescue (hikers, rock climbers, cavers, horse riders, sailors etc) and be sued for costs if they have insurance or not (Now ducking and running for cover.....) |
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29th Dec 2017 6:24pm |
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| shropshiredefender Member Since: 05 Jun 2017 Location: Shropshire Posts: 834
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"Also all those engaged in outdoor sports should be advised to have insurance cover to pay for their rescue (hikers, rock climbers, cavers, horse riders, sailors etc) and be sued for costs if they have insurance or not"
You missed out bloody cyclists  |
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29th Dec 2017 6:38pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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Apparently (IIRC) 70% of people attending A & E on a Friday/Saturday nights are alcohol related attendees.
Now the A stands for Accident not Alcohol. How much does those attendees cost the NHS or should I say the UK tax payers? How much additional pressure does this put on NHS staff? How many genuine A & E patients care have had a negative impact on their care due to alcohol related attendees? Now I once saw an emergency ambulance attend a seriously drunk person. It took some time to get the abusive 'patient' into the ambulance who then dropped his pants and defecated in the ambulance. The police were then called and he was carted off to the local cells. The ambulance crew then had to take ambulance out of service whilst it was cleaned. Now ambulance crews are used to dealing with people vomiting, urinating, defecating due to accidents and will deal with their patients with care. Should they have to deal with an abusive, crappy person because they have had too much to drink? Brendan |
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29th Dec 2017 6:51pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17450 
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I used to be a very active potholer and lost count of the number of times that people said that cavers etc should pay for their own medical treatment since it was a lifestyle choice to undertake a "dangerous" pastime. In fact caving and potholing injuries are very rare since participants are careful.
So if we apply the argument that people whose "lifestyle choices" make them more likely to need medical treatment should pay for it themselves (an idea not without merit), then top of the list would be people who drink, then people who travel in cars, people who are obese, smokers, people who ride horses, and people who play football. After that comes every other sport, field sport, walking and rambling, people who sleep around and have unprotected sex, people who do DIY, work on their own cars, do their own decorating, yachtsmen, boaters, etc etc. Where do you draw the line? When I used to have these discussions before the general view seemed to be the complainant felt that his/her chosen activities were fine and shouldn't be penalised whilst all others should! I do resent the facts that drunkards now prevent the NHS doing good things for appreciative and genuinely needy people, and that NHS staff now regularly face abuse and assault by drunks. People who act like that should be barred from any NHS services for the rest of their lives as wel, as jailed. |
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29th Dec 2017 6:54pm |
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| shropshiredefender Member Since: 05 Jun 2017 Location: Shropshire Posts: 834
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Apparently the NHS is considering offering this service as an alternative to A&E and are looking at costs in the hope of making a saving.
That seems sensible as reducing overall costs and A&E waiting times is a good thing. |
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29th Dec 2017 6:59pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3514 
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Agree with all of the above comments.
It seems to be a particularly British past time of getting bladdered of a Friday and Saturday night. These are the same people who are whinging that they cannot afford life's essentials because their pay hasn't gone up they cannot get on the housing ladder because they can't afford a deposit - but blowing £100+ on a night out and then watching the tax payers pick the bill up when they get out of their tree. Blackwolf has a point though. Where do you draw the line and say that these people cannot have treatment? I am a bit over weight. Should my GP or A&E refuse to treat me because of this? We seem to have a very strange relationship with alcohol in this country (maybe not quite as problematic as ex-eastern block countries and Vodka consumption) but still worrying. I'm sure most of you have heard the story of Corrie McKeague who went missing after a night out in Bury St Edmunds over a year ago. Desperately upsetting for his family, but it goes to show what can happen to an individual when they consume too much alcohol and make poor decisions. His body has never been found and as far as is thought, he crawled into a wheelie bin drunk to sleep and the bin was emptied. Suffolk Police have spent over £1,000,000 digging up a land fill site near Cambridge with no results. Should the local Police have spent this money to find one individual who went out, got purposefully drunk and went missing or not? It's hard to justify, I suppose, unless you were his Mum or Girlfriend? |
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29th Dec 2017 8:38pm |
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| Slideywindows Member Since: 09 Sep 2016 Location: North Essex Posts: 1286
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Alcohol is a mind-changing drug.
The advertising of alcohol is everywhere and well targeted. Those who make it, retail it and advertise it should pick up the bill for the consequences. If that results in lower profits and higher prices, so be it. Which clown of a government legislated (no doubt under pressure from the industry) to allow supermarkets and retail warehouses to sell it? What has happened since was all perfectly predictable and forseeable, I'm afraid. As an aside, the agrochemical industry has to pass residue tests of a few parts per million, in food in case anyone gets poisoned by their products. Those who supply those products must undergo rigorous training and those who apply it to crops have to go on courses and pass tests. By contrast, supermarkets with no training at all, can supply you with unlimited quantities of what is in effect a poison, and you can pour it down your neck until you can't stand - and you can do it every day or night of the week if you can afford it. Where is the logic in that? |
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29th Dec 2017 10:56pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5111  
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Yes, they should, however, any person who is so inebriated they are a danger to themselves or others should be placed in what I would like to see as a secure drunk tank.
Just having spent an evening in Manchester City centre over the festive period and witnessing displays of drunkness including both violence and sex, I was personally glad to get out of the city for my safety. One of the persons I would not like to be on the late shift on New Years Eve is a city centre Policeman For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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29th Dec 2017 11:14pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3514
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Yes, gilarion. Also spare a thought for the Paramedics and Staff in A&E. How many times can you get verbally and physically abused or just thrown up on before the novelty wears off???
Slideywindows is correct. Alcohol is a drug. An extremely powerful drug. People look at Cannabis, Heroin, etc and the people who take them as 'druggies', but some of the same cannot actually get through the day without a glass of red wine are just as much addicted, even if they kid themselves they could give up tomorrow, - if they wanted to. Saying all of the above, I believe our licensing laws on alcohol in this country are part of the problem. What do they actually achieve? People are still drinking to oblivion, so the bars that serve these people (who are licensed) are not being controlled by the licensing authorities. Why a restaurant needs a license to serve wine with a meal amazes me. I presume they could serve a sherry trifle without an alcohol license, but not serve a glass of wine? I am in my mid, nope, late 40's and I remember several of my school friends getting bladdered on their 18th birthday just because they could. Why? Did they feel so opressed that was the thing to do? My parents always had alcohol in the house. It was not locked up or restricted. Always available to me, if I wanted, just like the milk or bread! When I wanted to try anything, I asked, nothing was off limits. I was given a taste. At 18, I had tried most spirits, lager, bitter, mild, red wine, white wine, rose, cider and didn't feel the necessity to run down the pub. Booze was not a mystery to me. Is the alcohol problem down to the way we control it and treat it in this country? |
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30th Dec 2017 9:28am |
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