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agentmulder



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Indicators wont work indicating but will with hazard + alarm
Hello all,

Came back from a 4 month trip away from my 2.4l puma 110 and it's time for the MOT (well, the 'WOF' as we call it down this way Wink )

Checked all the lights, which were all good (incl. indicators), aside from the left hand headlamp which wasn't working - checked fuses then swapped right for left lamp and as the fault followed with the bulb I expect a new bulb will solve this issue.

All good ... but ... putting it back together now the indicators wont work via the lever ( Rolling Eyes ) - but they'll work fine via the hazard light switch or when operating the alarm.

Fuses are fine, at least the ones I checked (10A at the bottom of the middle row I think) and the relay clicks happily away with the hazards on.

I would normally think next job is to have a look at the lever, but the thing is I didn't touch it (and for what its worth the horn still works) - I did however touch the front indicators as you have to remove them to get to the headlamps, I checked the contact continuity on them and reinstalled all the lamps and aside from the original headlamp they will light up when they're meant to expect the dang indicators via the stalk/lever.

What to check next? Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants...
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Lightningtweeds



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....the relevant fuse?
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agentmulder



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What is the relevant fuse in this particular case? Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants...
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Lightningtweeds



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Not sure of its location but it will be the blown one?
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agentmulder



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I wouldn't usually go pulling and checking fuses for the aircon, wipers, stereo etc. for a indicator fault - but hey, it's a Defender... Rolling Eyes

You did read that I already checked the fuses yeah? Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants...
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Lightningtweeds



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"At least the ones i checked"....
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Lightningtweeds



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Fuse blades can fur up and lose connection.
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agentmulder



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Kuwait 
Sorry, maybe I'm tired and reading more than is or isn't intended, but I'm getting a certain vibe that I expect to get from electrical engineering and electronics forums from you... Quite distinct from the usual def2.

Anyhoo, it stands to reason that I checked the indicator fuses after the headlamps right? (unless there are others I don't know about?)

And yes, I didn't mention it, but I also gave a light rub with a jewellers file and contact cleaner on all the connections that I'd touched incl. fuses. A DMM was involved from time to time as well, but I excluded that info in trying to keep things simple.

Tomorrow I'll pull the indicator fuses and try the hazard lights again, if they don't work then that's likely to rule out fuses.

Thumbs Up Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants...
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ARC99



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From memory ,check fuses 21 and 31. Don't make old people mad.
We don't like being old in the first place,
so it doesn't take much to Censored us off.

Richard
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v8bobber



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You may well find that it is the lever. I think I’ve put at least one of the things on each of the Defenders I’ve had.

If you unscrew the cowling there is a block connector there that can be easily pulled apart and then checked with a test meter

Like you say though, seems strange that it’s happened after fiiddling with the indicators
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Martin
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Ignore LightningTweeds, he can't help being permanently sarcastic and unhelpful. He was banned for it before and he's about to be again.

Fuse 21 is the ignition feed to the indicator stalk.

When you say you checked continuity at the indicator plugs, what did you do exactly?

Are you checking the indicators with the ignition on? Sure you are but sometimes the simple things are missed Whistle  1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
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Lightningtweeds



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My point was that fuses can cease to work even though they are not blown. I had a few gremlins that were fuse blades being furred up with a white powdery coating and when replaced my interior lights and seat belt warning lights started again (L200).
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zsd-puma



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I think i would be inclined to take the cowling off the steering column and check for a feed either side of the ignition switch with the DMM. It's only a couple of screw to pop the cowling off. (don't bother with the large protruding screw on the underside it's jsut a locating peg)
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agentmulder



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ARC99 and Martin for the win!

Fuse 21 had crapped itself.

On the index it simply had a hazard sign next to it, and considering that the hazards were working I think it would have taken me quite a high level of frustration/non-progress to consider checking it, so thanks for saving all that time pulling the column apart (I've done it enough to be fast, but it's still an awkward process) Thumbs Up

Also, I doubt there is a single thread for an electrical/electronic issue on a puma that isn't soon followed up by the relevant and helpful page in the electrical manual by DorsetSmith. Laughing

Martin, yeah that's the vibe I refer to, I've found it is the de-facto personality in electrical/electronic forums and Q&A sites (stack-exchange electrical and electronic, Arduino, AVRFreaks etc. for example). I wouldn't have thought it would eventuate in a ban, but I don't know what I don't know. Anyhoo, sorry to talk about you like you're not in the room lightningtweeds, as you've no doubt noted, your advice was correct, is was a blown fuse that I hadn't checked, and yes I noted a bit of that powdery corrosion on some of the good ones. Wink Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants...


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