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| Laurie Member Since: 22 Feb 2008 Location: Sussex, England Posts: 2897   
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Who's coming next?
What is the mentality of the average American?  |
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12th Jan 2018 12:04pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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And the beat goes on.....
Not only yesterdays "shiitcountry" statement, but also the sale of non existing fighterplanes to Norway. 
As reported by your good old BBC http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42651544 What will be next? 
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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12th Jan 2018 12:33pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3486  
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Nicely put, Mike
And in the defense of the American voters, they didn't get a great choice between Trump and Clinton, did they? |
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12th Jan 2018 12:58pm |
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| Laurie Member Since: 22 Feb 2008 Location: Sussex, England Posts: 2897
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It was the Americans that narrowed the vote down to Trump or Clinton. They had plenty of alternatives. |
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12th Jan 2018 1:17pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035 
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Again its a political process...it is what it is, we dont vote who is in the cabinet...we dont select the MP to vote for, we dont even choose our PM!!
Who has the democratic process now?! Mike |
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12th Jan 2018 2:19pm |
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| Laurie Member Since: 22 Feb 2008 Location: Sussex, England Posts: 2897
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....but you can and do, by default, choose your MP.
If you are a party supporter join the party and help with the selection and election of your candidate; if not then either stand yourself or choose someone to represent your ideals. If you do neither then you elect to accept one of the named candidates. You make this choice at every election, whether conciously or by lack of effort. |
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12th Jan 2018 3:37pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035
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not strictly true and i know a little about it too having being involved in the political area Mike
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12th Jan 2018 4:23pm |
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| Slideywindows Member Since: 09 Sep 2016 Location: North Essex Posts: 1283
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At least the Americans elected a leader (whether you like him or not).
Unlike the Germans, who have been unable to choose a leader since elections last September. Perhaps the Beeb would like to go on about that? Just for a change...... |
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12th Jan 2018 8:16pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3486
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You can only vote for the persons who stand for election in the area in which you live. That could be frustrating for some, especially if they support one of the smaller parties who may not be able to, or want to have a candidate.
I am told that proportional representation would solve this issue. It would allow the smaller parties to get a foot hold. The Tories and Labour are not keen on this and at present will not actively try and change the status quo. The only issue I have with proportional representation is that along with the 'normal' smaller parties getting into Westminster, I am afraid that this would also allow the more dubious and the actively unpleasant ones to also thrive (far left, far right, racist, just plain obnoxious). Although I am not a fan of what we have in the UK, I don't think there is anything much better, and it is far better than the United States system where elections seem to go on for ever (although I'm sure Auntie Beeb, ITN and Sky News would have a field day). Am I right in thinking the Germans use a version of proportional representation? They seem to be struggling with their political system at present. |
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12th Jan 2018 8:46pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5804  
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^^^ Rashers, as you point out, Proportional Respresentation would allow an individual to vote for their favoured party, any party. But as you also queried, the stalemate you see in Germany would be the result. Perhaps one could argue that that would be the essence of democracy but IMHO it would slow down the machinery of government when generally speaking the majority of the voting population, and the current two parties that represent them, want the same thing. Further, with the current and often puerile use of Social Media, a full PR system without proper controls could lead to an absolutely untenable parliament. Whilst our system may not be perfect and not allow smaller parties to be represented in all constituencies, the majority are. So unlike the US two-party system, in most parts of the UK you can vote for a minority party such as Green, SinnFein, DUP, UKIP etc, even if they may not be ultimately elected. I'd prefer boring stability and 'status quo' to run my country than entirely democratic turmoil. Actually I'd prefer my country to be run by 'Iron Maiden'
Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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13th Jan 2018 10:02pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035
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Things work better when people compromise, when the middle ground is found and a position both sides can live with is found - thats why it is far better to have a hung parliament or a system that proportionally represents the votes, so parties have to work together rather than our outdated and poor system.
Just think of all the arguments saved around insert issue - i will use the NHS...people talk about a cross party or similar group to come together to fix it...well that would almost be the position by default. Mike |
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13th Jan 2018 11:19pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8580
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OI, you lot, THIS IS THE GRUMPY OLD MAN THREAD!
It is not the polite political discussion thread so go and start your own thread 
YES I know I started this by having a whinge as I do not consider the POTUS as leader of the free world. Current POTUS has even less right to be considered leader of the free world. SO get back on topic here and be grumpy old men Brendan |
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14th Jan 2018 11:27am |
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| shropshiredefender Member Since: 05 Jun 2017 Location: Shropshire Posts: 834 
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I thoroughly dislike being told what to do
Despite which I will not post the carefully crafted roughly 2 sides of A4 political rant so carefully prepared last night. I will however say that I get very annoyed at acronyms that I don't understand especially when used by the chattering "middle classes" as a means of excluding others. So what the hell does POTUS mean? |
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14th Jan 2018 11:36am |
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| Laurie Member Since: 22 Feb 2008 Location: Sussex, England Posts: 2897
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Go figure it.....
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14th Jan 2018 12:56pm |
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