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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5111   
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I have always had my doubts on Nicola Sturgeon’s rationality as first minister of Scotland, does she have a duty to act for all of the Scottish people or is she a driven by a her own tunnel vision of politics to take Scotland out of the union at whatever cost.
Her announcement today that she intends to trigger article 30 and call a second Scottish referendum shows just how foolish the woman is. Two years ago Scotland voted to stay in the union, if the first minister thinks that the people in Scotland would now want the Euro as a currency and the uncertainty of belonging to what is a disintegrating European Union then Nicola Sturgeon is misguided in her beliefs, and the only vote Scotland should be considering is to remove her from office. Of course over the next few days those who voted to stay in the EU will be lauding her decision, while those who voted to leave will be saying extremely derogatory remarks about the first minister, when will it end… For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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13th Mar 2017 1:57pm |
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| Birdy Member Since: 07 Oct 2011 Location: Côte d'Azur Posts: 869  
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In 2014, when the UK was an established Member State of the EU, 55% of Scottish voters said “No” to being independent (45% said “Yes”).
Sooner rather than later the UK will NOT be an EU Member State, and Scots are to be asked again if they wish to become independent in light of the new circumstances. Seems pretty rational to me… Peter |
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13th Mar 2017 4:04pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5111
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The rationality is in the ramifications of what would be one of the smallest countries in the EU state going it alone divorced from the UK union and trying to establish a border and with an ever dwindling monetary supply, as oil revenue is very volatile as we have seen in the last few years. The first minister’s rhetoric reminds me of Duchess Gloriana XII in the Mouse that Roared.
Recent evidence suggests that the majority of Scottish people do not want a second vote on independance. So where is the rationality in having one. Just my opinion of course.  For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..
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13th Mar 2017 4:16pm |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769  
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Doesn't Whitehall have to trigger a referendum? I didn't think Scotland could just decide they wanted one. Ray
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13th Mar 2017 4:24pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5111
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Yes they do but constituently it would be very difficult for the government to refuse one unless overwhelming evidence suggested that they should reject the request.
It is a difficult one as evidence suggests that the majority of Scottish people do not want a second referendum, plus what could be a problem is in the wording, the last referendum was a simple yes/no. Nicola Sturgeon has said she wishes for a referendum on leaving the UK union on the grounds of Scotland and the SNP not wanting a hard Brexit for Scotland, so this time round that ('hard Brexit question) may have to be included on the voting paper. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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13th Mar 2017 4:45pm |
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| Pilgrimmick Member Since: 16 Nov 2015 Location: Highlands Posts: 582 
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During the period of the last referendum the governance of Scotland was neglected entirely by the SNP, investment was almost non-existent, house sales flat lined and there was a huge feeling of uncertainty.
To do the same again within a few years seems to be economic suicide. I really do fear for the future of Scotland. 80" 1948 Lightweight V8 Bowler Tomcat 130 Station wagon 90 300tdi (Santana PS10 pick up) Range Rover L322 (Ful fat) |
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13th Mar 2017 5:10pm |
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| DonH2000 Member Since: 12 Jan 2015 Location: North Kent Posts: 551 
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 I have no comment that I could possibly make on this forum........ Cheers Don. |
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13th Mar 2017 5:16pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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The last Scottish independence referendum was supposed to be once in a generation event!
Now how long is a once in a generation event? Personally I would have thought a lot longer then 5 years. Now I do not know what percentage of trade Scotland does with the EU compared to England, Wales and N Ireland. Now let's say the UK leaves the EU under WTO rules and Scotland joins the EU, the Euro , how is Scotland going to deal with cross England/Scottish trade with different duty rates? Now what about free movement of people. How does the EU proposes to deal with two land borders with a non EU country. There used to be a lot of smuggling across the Irish border. Brendan |
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13th Mar 2017 7:42pm |
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| shanecl Member Since: 20 Mar 2013 Location: Louth Posts: 512  
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"There used to be a lot of smuggling across the Irish border. "
Back in business shortly, Yahoo!  |
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13th Mar 2017 8:06pm |
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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2531
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The figures published in 2014 prior to the referendum showed that Scotland exports £50bn to the rest of the UK and only £21b n to the rest of the world. I don't know how much they export to EU but would hazard a guess at less than £12bn. Would the EU want another small economic state, that is what Sturgeon needs to ask herself, they have enough on their hands with Greece and possibly Spain.
I believe the Scottish people want devolution but they don't want separation. It seems to me that Nicola Sturgeon should look at the two referenda results, Scottish Independence and Brexit and ask herself do I want to lose a third on the trot. Defender 90XS SW Mini Countryman Cooper S Morgan Plus 8 |
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13th Mar 2017 8:11pm |
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| Slideywindows Member Since: 09 Sep 2016 Location: North Essex Posts: 1286
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The sooner Scotland votes for independence (for England) the better.
I'm fed up with the tail constantly trying to wag the dog. I no longer need to know the Scottish football results, their weather forecast or how much everything that is wrong in Scotland is the fault of the English. I used to feel British but now I consider myself English. We need to look forwards, rather than hang on grimly to the past, whilst constantly begging the Scots not to leave. Sorry, but I've had enough of it....... |
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13th Mar 2017 8:24pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20497
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Easy, they refused to accept or be interested in Scotland joining. It was mentioned earlier this year around January I think. They said Scotland was too small, and did not have enough commercial power to be of interest for ANY deal. It's important not to tar all Scots with the same brush, they don't actually want to be independent of the UK. These figures were proven previously with the referendum they had. Krankie is speaking as if she's talking for 100% of the Scottish public, it's more like 45%.. Nor do they want as Cameron mentioned "Neverendums". No Guts, No Glory. 🇬🇧ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ðŸ‡®ðŸ‡ªðŸ‡ºðŸ‡¸â›½ï¸ðŸ›¢ï¸âš™ï¸ðŸ§°ðŸ’ª |
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13th Mar 2017 8:46pm |
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| Ellisboy Member Since: 13 Oct 2013 Location: Deep South Posts: 539 
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Is it Nicola Krankie or Jimmy Sturgeon
Stephen. |
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13th Mar 2017 10:29pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20497
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Both.
 
Regardless, breaking news is Brexit is now one step away from law with Royal Assent.
Both the Lords & Parliament bills passed with no amendment. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 No Guts, No Glory. 🇬🇧ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ðŸ‡®ðŸ‡ªðŸ‡ºðŸ‡¸â›½ï¸ðŸ›¢ï¸âš™ï¸ðŸ§°ðŸ’ª |
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13th Mar 2017 10:33pm |
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