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excossack



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Topside beef cooking ideas
Got a 2.5kg topside beef joint for xmas day after suggestions on best way to cook so the meat is not like leather.
Just done a 500g silverside joint in the oven for time suggested - 30mins but ran over a little and had 10min resting time.

Meat was pink but tough! - pan fried first on all sides to seal and then in the oven, started on 220c then turned it down 180c on a middle shelf covered with tinfoil and added 100ml red wine.

So need to improve for xmas day.

Have been thinking of using the slow cooker instead of the oven. Open to thoughts from cooks, butchers, experts etc. 1999 Defender TD5 110

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gabe3105



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Think both silverside and topside from supermarkets are cheap cuts and need low and slow cooking to avoid being like leather. I would suggest sticking it in the slow cooker on low for about 7 hours and seeing what it is like. No liquid in there, just the beef.

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Riverboy



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Go to a good butcher and never buy meat from a supermarket. He'll also tell you how to cook it to perfection. Thumbs Up
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for those joints from the butchers i use bottom over/slow cooker approach after sealing first. Cheers

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LR90XS2011



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I have success by cooking in a casserole with the lid on with the joint sat in about 1 cm of water, cook like this, lots of recipes like this, look up pot roast the beef will melt in your mouth

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bob neville



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For topside you should let it rest for longer than 10 minutes.

20 to 30 minutes is the normal resting time for this cut.

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excossack



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Thanks for the replies people. Plenty to go.

@Bob
Rest the meat on worktop covered in tinfoil, or elsewhere? 1999 Defender TD5 110

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bob neville



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I let mine rest on a chopping board uncovered.

When you remove the joint from the oven the core temperature continues to rise for quite a long time so the long resting time allows the internal temperature to stabilise and then lets the fibres relax.

Guess whose mum and sister were professional chefs Smile

Bob

PS If you have not got/ordered the meat yet then go to a butcher to get it, supermarket beef is hit and miss for quality. 2015 Jaguar XE240 R Sport - goes like ....... !!
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Darcy Fairfax



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Try this link from the Ginger Pig guys. They're a pretty good butchers.
https://www.thegingerpig.co.uk/meat/beef/

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D
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excossack



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I have purchased the meat already. 21 days matured according to the label.
Time for a bit more reading before Christmas day. 1999 Defender TD5 110

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I can highly recommend this app, http://www.time-to-roast.com/
For me a quality joint of Topside at room temp, & a red hot oven to start

I try & use our local butcher for Beef but he can get a bit expensive!
If it has to be a supermarket in my opinion Morrison's is the best for Beef & Lamb, as far as I am aware they are the only Supermarket that sources Beef & Lamb direct from the farm (they even have there own fleet of live stock trucks to transport to there own abattoir's)

http://www.morrisons-farming.com/
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bob neville



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As we have not heard from you John I take it the outcome was not good ???

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LOL DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

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excossack



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Thanks for the reminder!

Started off with 2.5kg of beef. Chopped in half ish (1.3 KG into casserole dish for the over on a 150c middle of oven for 3 and a bit hours and then some resting time).
Beef & ale stock flavour thingy and some boiling water for the stock with some red wine,
Marinated over night in Garlic and some marinade from Sainsbury's
Added some chopped celery herbs into the pot and cooked away.

Other chunk of meat (1.2kg)in the slow cooker with a stock pot and a bit more red wine, chopped celery, carrots and herbs. High for 4hrs and then low for 2hrs ( I think it was)

Took both out and left to relax while the spuds and Yorkshire puds went on.

Carving the oven cooked meat was easier and it stayed together.
Carving the slow cooker cooked meat this ended up like pulled Pork

To me oven meat was dry and slow cooked meat a bit better. Not a huge success but edible. 1999 Defender TD5 110

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bob neville



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From what you say I reckon that is not bad at all Thumbs Up

The one thing I will never do at Christmas is roast beef, there are two many variables even with a trusted local butcher nearby to supply the meat.

Well done !

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