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simon67



Member Since: 18 Jun 2015
Location: west sussex
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England 2004 Defender 90 Td5 HT Rutland Red
Only First Thing - Chug, Chug them Oooomph
TD5 with Alive Stage 1
On starting up first thing either in the morning or afternoon, she will chug for about 100yds and then gets an enormous kick up the arse
Once she has got it out of her system, she is fine for the rest of the day and drives perfect afterwards

Any ideas?
Post #540013 14th Jun 2016 9:00am
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jaygti



Member Since: 04 Nov 2012
Location: essex
Posts: 377

United Kingdom 2002 Defender 90 Td5 HT Epsom Green
My td5 has no remap, and does exactly the same.
I've had it over 4 years and it's always done it. I'd just assumed they all did it!
😕 2002 td5 90 county hardtop
Post #540018 14th Jun 2016 9:19am
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huffhuff



Member Since: 05 May 2016
Location: Home Counties
Posts: 379

United Kingdom 2001 Defender 90 Td5 HT Java Black
Mine always runs a bit lumpy first thing. More so in the cold. I always thought it was something to do with 5 cylinders but only 4 glow plugs.

Your waste gate isn't sticking is it?!? TD5 Defender 90
Discovery 3 HSE
Post #540021 14th Jun 2016 9:32am
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Jimb1978



Member Since: 05 Sep 2012
Location: Huddersfield
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England 2002 Defender 110 Td5 Black LE Java Black
(Smug mode)

Mine doesn't do this and never has. Although it has been poorly lately. There are a few common issues that can cause symptoms like this and most are an easy/relatively cheap fix

See here

http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic47017.html 2002 110 td5
Post #540028 14th Jun 2016 11:02am
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Fatboy Slim



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Wales 
Airflow meter knackered
Post #540031 14th Jun 2016 11:37am
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GREENI



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United Kingdom 
Injector loom, maybe.
Post #540038 14th Jun 2016 11:59am
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pj2106



Member Since: 20 Dec 2012
Location: Huntingdon AKA The Shire
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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
Mine does the same again with alive stage1 but did it before that

Done so far

Replaced injector loom

Maf unplugged

No oil in ecu

Had replacement turbo

Next steps are

change accelerator pedal

Injector seals

Replace loom again 2008 110 2.4 XS Utility (Hagrid)
2002 90 TD5 Hardtop (Sully) Sold
1998 300TDi D1 (Billy) Sold
Post #540131 14th Jun 2016 5:49pm
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Fatboy Slim



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Unplugging the airflow meter will give exactly that fault.
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pj2106



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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
Done the same with and without mad plugged in just done it to eliminate route causes 2008 110 2.4 XS Utility (Hagrid)
2002 90 TD5 Hardtop (Sully) Sold
1998 300TDi D1 (Billy) Sold
Post #540195 14th Jun 2016 8:04pm
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Fatboy Slim



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If the airflow meter is dead it will do it. If you unplug it it will do it. Get it plugged into some diagnostics I'll bet it's sat there dead reading 4.40 Thumbs Up
Post #540197 14th Jun 2016 8:11pm
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simon67



Member Since: 18 Jun 2015
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England 2004 Defender 90 Td5 HT Rutland Red
The only issue is that it had a full service and the alive tune at the same time
The diagnostics came back with faults and they were all cleared
So the MAF and injectors were all checked and sorted at the time

I'm just wondering if they all do that Sir
Post #540203 14th Jun 2016 8:27pm
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Martin 01



Member Since: 13 Feb 2012
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Mine sometimes runs like that for a short while.
If I stop & turn off the engine then restart it, it seems to run better.
Why ?
I have asolutley no idea.
I also have an Alive remap, but been back & had it checked out & all showed well.
Beats me. Whistle
Post #540561 15th Jun 2016 8:14pm
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Chris86



Member Since: 15 Jul 2014
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United Kingdom 2005 Defender 110 Td5 USW Chawton White
Chug Chug GO
Ours does the same, reverse it off the drive, drive to the end of the road, very flat, feels like its almost in a limited performance mode- get another 150m down the road and all is fine- usually on a cold damp day.

Its had all the of the suggested things replaced in the last couple of years, is no different. Of the three I used to use for work 2 of them did it- the other (newest one on a 56 plate) didnt?! Both of the the TD5 discos that another firm I used to work for did it too.

I have always thought its just a td5 quirk?!

Chris
Post #540577 15th Jun 2016 9:06pm
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lightning



Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
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My 110 TD5 did this and it was hooked up to diagnostics which showed nothing.

I fitted a new MAF unit and the fault disappeared. The missus's 90 TD5 also had a similar fault when we bought it last year.
I called in to the Indy who sold it us, but l was in the 110.....the guy disappeared into the back and returned with a new MAF unit in a box and put it into my hand.
I fitted it into the 90 later that day. It cured the fault.

I think it's because when you start the engine, the ECU tries to take an input from the unit, and after a short time if the data is bad, defaults to preset settings.

Apparantly some cheap MAF units can be faulty from new! I fitted an OE to the 110, the one given to me by the lndy was a £30 one but it's been fine.

My advice is just change the MAF, if it doesn't cure the fault at least you'll know what it isn't.
Post #540962 17th Jun 2016 6:58am
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shazzy90



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maf but only use genuine
Post #541395 18th Jun 2016 10:59pm
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