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sabartnoc



Member Since: 28 Aug 2016
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France 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Keswick Green
Different Diff ratios front to rear
I have recently rebuilt front diff on my puma 110 and replaced exploded and destroyed diff centre with ashcroft atb as well as ashcroft hd ring and pinion.
I am doing the rear this week but only just realised ashcroft don't make a hd ring and pinion for p38/wolf diffs. so i am planning on keeping stock ring and pinion and installing atb
Is this difference of ratios 3.5:1in the front to 3.54:1 in the rear going to be bad news
i have heard both opinions.
Post #571467 17th Oct 2016 10:07am
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
I have been running this set-up (ATBs F&R, HD R&P front only) for the last 150,000 miles with no consequential problems. The difference is insignificant in the overall scheme of things.
Post #571487 17th Oct 2016 12:17pm
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roel



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Did you count the teeth? Is there a real difference? Roel

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rallysteve



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United Kingdom 2002 Defender 110 Td5 DCPU Keswick Green
I agree with Roel,

I don't see how the 0.04:1 ratio difference could be possible with a the small number of teeth. I highly doubt that standard puma and late TD5 110s leave the factory with different ratio differentials.

Steve 02' 110 TD5 Double Cab Rebuild Thread
Post #571524 17th Oct 2016 4:16pm
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sabartnoc



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France 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Keswick Green
on the front it is the HD ashcroft 3.5:1 which is 28 teeth on crown wheel and 8 on the pinion,

on the rear it is the standard 3.54:1 is 46 teeth on the crown wheel and 13 on the pinion.
Post #571529 17th Oct 2016 4:51pm
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Yes, there is a difference.

No, it does not matter.
Post #571587 17th Oct 2016 6:42pm
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LR90XS2011



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green
dosnt matter until you lock the centre diff, with the centre diff locked you will get transmission wind up more quickly not much of an issue on loose surfaces but might be on tarmac DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy
Post #571649 17th Oct 2016 8:59pm
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
No, it doesn't matter when you lock the centre diff, because (unless you are stupid) you only do this on loose surfaces.

I have run exactly this combination for over 150,000 miles, it does not cause problems and works very well.

Be aware that you may well get a pronounced whine from the HD R&P on the overrun until the diff is fully 'run in'. The HD R&P sets from Ashtrans are aimed primarily at competition vehicles where noise isn't a problem, rather than road vehicle. Mine is now silent, but whined for a few thousand miles.
Post #571725 18th Oct 2016 10:31am
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jst



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 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
ashcroft low pinion rear as an option? Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
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Post #571897 18th Oct 2016 7:47pm
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
That's a good option but is pricey since it is a custom diff and you need a new propshaft too.
Post #571936 18th Oct 2016 9:02pm
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jst



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 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
you can just shorten the existing rear prop, thats what i did Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop
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foxyred



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England 1994 Defender 90 200 Tdi HT Montalcino Red
Think Range rover 4.8 uses the same diff as Puma 110
Post #572567 21st Oct 2016 8:41pm
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