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| AlanH Member Since: 15 Mar 2010 Location: WA Posts: 242  
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This is the shaft which failed on his 2007 110 and let a mate of mine down not long ago. Luckily he wasn't too remote but at a roadhouse on the Eyre Hwy at Balladonia WA. It was still a long expensive way home from there though.
His vehicle has always been fully serviced mostly by the stealers and this came as a very nasty shock. I think it's put him off LR products for ever....especially after having had a Nissan for some 20 years with no major breakdowns. I've a 2010 110 and had the rear half shafts and plus all 4 driven parts replaced and transfer box when under warranty but am still thinking of getting this Ashcroft upgrade. On second thoughts I might flog it instead.....as soon as the bloody broken aircon is fixed! Bloody heap of badly slapped together crap.....but the Cook loves it. 
AlanH. |
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20th Nov 2015 10:11am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018  
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Is it really classed as an upgrade - it's a fix for an issue that appears to be happening at the build stage when the item isn't greased.
If the item is greased at build stage then it doesn't happen does it? |
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20th Nov 2015 10:50am |
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| AlanH Member Since: 15 Mar 2010 Location: WA Posts: 242
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From Shax's pics it would seem there's never been any grease in there at all. My handbook says what type of grease should be used but when mine was having the transfer box replaced and I spoke to the service foreman at the stealers he said 'It is not a service job".... make of that what you will but I pleaded with him to use a couple of bobs worth of grease anyway. Whether they did or not I don't know but I doubt it.
Build quality appears to be non existent on LR products especially Defenders. My elder bro who with his wife had something like 12 top of the line RRs over 20 years then a Lexus for 7 years after retiring, now a FL2... "If you want a top class ride spoilt by so called quirkiness and character and a vehicle which can find it's own way back to the dealers, buy Land Rover, if you want total reliability buy Lexus" Younger bro has a RRS Autobiography, his first LR product and his last. Out of warranty soon and out the door. 
I just wish I didn't have to buy something made in Asia to replace the Deafener, but what else is there? AlanH. |
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20th Nov 2015 11:21am |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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Indeed. As you know it is an issue that JLR have ignored instead the onus is placed on the owner if and when the vehicle fails to proceed. http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic36916.html Steve. Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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20th Nov 2015 2:37pm |
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| R1200GS Member Since: 12 Jul 2015 Location: Hampshire Posts: 265 
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Looks like Ashcroft have been busy selling their current stock as they are out at the moment according to their website.
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20th Nov 2015 4:46pm |
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| ashtrans Site Sponsor Member Since: 08 Nov 2008 Location: Harpenden Posts: 255
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Hi,
More ready Monday, and yes, they are selling quite well ! Dave Dave |
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21st Nov 2015 2:19pm |
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| analogalex Member Since: 01 Apr 2014 Location: Brisbane Posts: 9 |
Hi David,
I have taken delivery of a MY16 Defender 130 would you recommend i do this modification? I'm a little worried it could let me down?? What is the newest one you have pulled apart recently to check? |
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22nd Nov 2015 2:26pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 7773 
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i have fitted this mod to mine, for the peace of mind, why wouldnt you. Cheers
James 110 XS Utility 130 Puma Station wagon/camper (in the making) 90 Puma Hardtop |
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22nd Nov 2015 9:28pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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It would be nice to know the percentage of vehicles that have this as an issue - although we never will, it must be fair to say that some vehicles, maybe the majority, did have grease installed when built and so will never experience this as an issue. So why fix a problem you don't know you have?
If you have the issue then there's plenty of tell tale signs of wear/knock so remedial action can be taken before all the inconvenience of a total failure somewhere less than ideal. The official fix is a blob of weicon grease which should do the job, why make it more complicated and expensive? |
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23rd Nov 2015 1:02pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 7773
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i fitted it as mine needed replacing as it was worn from dry fitting.
my thoughts were i need new parts anyway, why not spend on the mod and not have to worry about checking it again. Cheers James 110 XS Utility 130 Puma Station wagon/camper (in the making) 90 Puma Hardtop |
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24th Nov 2015 9:32pm |
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| hornet Member Since: 04 Jan 2010 Location: Western Europe Posts: 351 |
Guys,
could anyone please help me with this Ashcroft Kit for Replacement (description or order-number)? Due to the fact that my coupling had to be sorted at 80.000km (common spring issue) an now I reached 160.000, there could be a chance that I might need a new one -- again :blub: In this case it seems to be clever to change that stuff.... Thanks! |
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25th Nov 2015 11:15am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17029 
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See http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co.uk/mt...t-kit.html
All your questions will be answered! |
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25th Nov 2015 11:26am |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127 
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[quote="Supacat"]It would be nice to know the percentage of vehicles that have this as an issue - although we never will, it must be fair to say that some vehicles, maybe the majority, did have grease installed when built and so will never experience this as an issue.
I'm on my 7th shaft replacement, models ranging from 2007 to 2014. I've yet to find any evidence of any grease, in any of them! The Ashcroft kit looks good, sensible money to have it fitted by them too. 80" 80" 86" 88" 90" Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered. |
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25th Nov 2015 11:58am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17029
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I think that probably all vehicles have this issue sooner or later, unless the factory has finally started applying grease on assembly, and I have not seen any evidence that they have started.
I am not sure where the MT82 box is actually assmbled onto the LT230, but this is where the job should be done. I suspect that transmissions arrive at Lode Lane pre-assembled from somewhere. Anyone actually know (I think I asked this once before but can't remember the answer). What would, I think, be more interesting to know is the life expectancy of a properly greased assembly of standard parts, and the long term performance of the Ashcroft modified parts. I changed my clutch at 150k miles last year and there was negligible wear on the output shaft splines (they were actually a better fit than the brand new parts I had bought in the expectation of needing). These are the original parts on a 2007 110, despite there being no evidence of anything recognisable as grease in the assembly. I reassembled the original parts with a new seal and cover with lashings of molybdenum disulphide grease, and look forward to seeing what it looks like when the next clutch goes in (which will probably be early next year at the 200k mile mark, since I don't reckon that a clutch lasts much more that 50k). I don't know of anyone who's run a high mileage on the Ashcroft modified shaft but it would be of great interest to see one after say 50k or 100k miles. I do think though that there must be another factor at work in the shaft failure scenario, since even allowing for different suppliers etc I fail to see otherwise how some fail at under 10k miles whilst others last 200k miles. I wouldn't mid betting that there is some kind of gearbox/transferbox alignment issue with some vehicles. |
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25th Nov 2015 2:25pm |
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