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| ickle Member Since: 22 Jul 2010 Location: South Vendee Posts: 1802   
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If you've got 50k from the clutch, you've probably done better than most, although from reading on here mostly they die through knackered springs (I've had to replace 3) not worn out linings, and one hard session shouldn't burn it out.
Would anyone on here know if there is any way if the sudden chill effect of parking in deep snow affected temporarily or otherwise the clutch slave or pipework? Have you tried bleeding the clutch? Good luck. |
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3rd Mar 2018 10:07pm |
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| ozzie1989 Member Since: 25 Feb 2009 Location: Wales Posts: 282  
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Hi ickle.
I did wonder at the time if the clutch had been affected in any way by the cold/damp. It was parked up all of Thursday/Friday day, so by the evening it had a drift up the one side and under the Landy. I too wouldn't have expected one 'slip' to have made such a difference to the vehicle, in particular the continued smell, but I've had rattling springs after a long hot run for a few years so maybe the extra stress caused an issue. I haven't tried to do anything as of yet, too bloomin cold  but a good suggestion to try bleeding the system through all the same. Thank you  Now: 2010 2.4 TDCi 110 Utility Wagon
Then: 2004 2.5 TD5 90 Hard Top (X-Tech Edition) |
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3rd Mar 2018 10:40pm |
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| ozzie1989 Member Since: 25 Feb 2009 Location: Wales Posts: 282
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So I've been doing some reading and found this in the workshop manual:
"Contained within the slave cylinder outlet assembly is a peak torque limiter. This component is designed to restrict the hydraulic fluid flow during the clutch pedal up-stroke. Under normal pedal actuation this restriction can not be detected, but in the event of an unintentional pedal release (e.g. wet shoe slipping off the clutch pedal) the peak torque limiter limits the fluid return rate and protects the transmission and driveline form excessive shock loads, which might cause damage." I wonder if it's possible that the peak torque limiter was the cause of the slip and when I came quickly off the clutch and onto the accelerator this 'function' meant the plates were not fully engaged. Does anyone have any experience of this function and can comment on whether the cold is likely to have affected it or if it's something that can actually go wrong? Thanks, Oz! Now: 2010 2.4 TDCi 110 Utility Wagon Then: 2004 2.5 TD5 90 Hard Top (X-Tech Edition) |
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4th Mar 2018 11:22pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17526  
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The peak torque limiter is a simple one-way flow restrictor which limits the rate at which fluid can leave the slave cylinder. Its purpose is to prevent transmission damage in the event that your foot slips off the pedal which might otherwise happen due to the combination of the anti-stall programming and unprecedented torque of the TDCi engine. It is not a particulary troublesome component but it is cheap, and it is normal to change it whenever the cltch is replaced.
It is possible that it prevented clutch engagement but only in conjunction with another problem such as dirt or water/ice in the fluid. On the face of it nothing you say you did, and nothing in the prevailing conditions, should have caused any clutch damage, although it is possible that at 50k miles the slightly brutal treatment had caused a spring to drop out of the driven plate and jam the cover, or something like that. If there is still a persistent fault, you probably have no real option other than to drop the box out and take a look. |
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5th Mar 2018 7:07am |
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| NinetyTD4 Member Since: 22 Apr 2011 Location: North Posts: 397 
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Smelling is just that, smell. If you hurt the clutch it sends smoke signs, but that's not necessary a permanent damage. I am now passing 180k miles on the first original clutch, so don't worry until you really have a reason to. Never forget: cars have owner, Landrover have field service personnel.
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5th Mar 2018 12:14pm |
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| ozzie1989 Member Since: 25 Feb 2009 Location: Wales Posts: 282
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I'll try bleeding it when the weather warms up, other than that I'll leave it and see how it goes
Thanks for the advice guys! Now: 2010 2.4 TDCi 110 Utility Wagon Then: 2004 2.5 TD5 90 Hard Top (X-Tech Edition) |
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5th Mar 2018 12:36pm |
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| Mountain_man Member Since: 09 Dec 2011 Location: Right side of Offas Dyke Posts: 756
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Have you got traction control? I thought the clutch on my T5 4motion was smelling after towing my brother out of our drive although I never touched the clutch. It was also juddering a lot. Conclusion was that the juddering was the brakes banging on with the TC and the smell was of brakes rather than clutch.
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5th Mar 2018 12:51pm |
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| Fat Cog Member Since: 19 Mar 2012 Location: Oxfordshire & Devon Posts: 502 
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[quote="ickle"]If you've got 50k from the clutch, you've probably done better than most, although from reading on here mostly they die through knackered springs (I've had to replace 3) not worn out linings, and one hard session shouldn't burn it out.
50K good for a clutch?!?!? Ive had three Pumas, all have been used for towing an Ifor Williams horse trailer, the first two Pumas covered 200k miles & both were still on the original clutch...& to open up an old debate, in my 2.4's when not towing I always set off in 2nd but on my 2.2 I use 1st. Since 1973...S1, Air Portable's, Defender's, but only my Wolf TUL HS GS remains |
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5th Mar 2018 1:20pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20561
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My clutch went at 38k with no warning at all, no burning smells or nothing. Having said that it would have been the first generation clutch. KEEP CALM AND Drill ON
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5th Mar 2018 1:40pm |
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| ickle Member Since: 22 Jul 2010 Location: South Vendee Posts: 1802
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Fatcog - the original clutch on mine was rattling at 40k, I changed it at approx. 100k for reliability as users on here had had springs drop out and immobilise the car - I do a lot of cross channel work and didn't want to get stuck in France.
Next Borg & Beck lasted 300 miles before it rattled like the first one, after many, many emails B&B replaced it and paid for its fitting, the replacement lasted 6k before a spring dropped out and I replaced that with a Clutchfix unit. I tow an Ifor 3.5 tipper most weeks and an Ifor 3.5 box van to and from France. None of the clutch plates had any appreciable wear on the friction lining, its the springs made of cheese that fail. Apparently tdci focus and the like do the same.... |
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5th Mar 2018 7:12pm |
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| Fat Cog Member Since: 19 Mar 2012 Location: Oxfordshire & Devon Posts: 502
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Hi Ickle...Now I'm worrying, I must have been lucky with the other two! Since 1973...S1, Air Portable's, Defender's, but only my Wolf TUL HS GS remains
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5th Mar 2018 8:08pm |
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| ickle Member Since: 22 Jul 2010 Location: South Vendee Posts: 1802
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I think it must be a land rover thing.... Some bits will outlast the apocalypse, others make a Chinese disposable plastic spoon look like quality!
Worst still there appears to be no rhyme or reason why fails occur. |
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5th Mar 2018 8:36pm |
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| Fat Cog Member Since: 19 Mar 2012 Location: Oxfordshire & Devon Posts: 502
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Agreed & interestingly on a similar vein I was chatting to Chris AKA Zagato who reckons certain years have crap paintwork, panels etc & corrode more than others, I think in the modern world other manufacturers call it QC!
All three of my Pumas (touch wood) have been fairly well behaved with a few individual personality traits; the first one a 2008 seemed to love EGR valves & steering boxes whereas the second one had a less than impressive quality chassis & seemed to enjoy seeping oil from a few seals, my 3rd (& last) a 2016 2.2 has a particularly nasty habit of setting the alarm off after the engine has been cranked (it nearly gives me a coronary) & has a funny tinny spooling engine noise every couple of weeks which lasts for about 3 mins...funnily enough its been into JLR but they have been unable to solve the issue! Since 1973...S1, Air Portable's, Defender's, but only my Wolf TUL HS GS remains |
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5th Mar 2018 8:52pm |
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| ozzie1989 Member Since: 25 Feb 2009 Location: Wales Posts: 282
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I don't have TC (which I always thought was a good thing to be honest) but a great shout out all the same
The more I read and think about it the more I am convinced that it was a combination of the Peak Tourqe Limiter and my poor choice of agressive 'clutch up / accelerator down' that caused the slippage which I believe has taken away some of the friction material. I am happy to report that it hasn't smelt at all today and am gaining confidence in it again. I am still a bit worried that the biting point is higher than it used to be, like the pedal nearly comes all the way up before it engages but then the clutch itself, on the plus side, feels an awful lot smoother than it used to! I have breakdown, so not too worries if it goes whilst I'm in a car park on my own - my biggest fear is that it'll go pop with the wife and kids on board (possibly towing) in the worst possible situation, so I'll be keeping a close eye on it and if my worries get the better of me I may ask a mate to help me split the box and inspect everything. I have a small oil leak I think between the boxes anyway so could be an excuse Now: 2010 2.4 TDCi 110 Utility Wagon
Then: 2004 2.5 TD5 90 Hard Top (X-Tech Edition) |
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5th Mar 2018 9:19pm |
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