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Grenadier

Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
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Caterham wrote:
I think I'll step down from this thread as I'm sure Martin has better things to do than keep an eye on what is and isn't said

a genuine sorry from me Martin - I appreciate you have to keep an eye on things and unfortunately I find this type of thing very emotive.

don't think I've ever mentioned it before - great website and I take my hat off to you.

if you're ever in the area I'd welcome the opportunity to buy you a beer.

Why would Martin ever want to find himself in Birmingham.....

I'll get my coat.... Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

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29th Mar 2016 5:39pm

Screbble

Member Since: 26 Apr 2015
Location: Lancashire
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Gone but not forgotten

7th Apr 2016 7:43pm

gilarion

Member Since: 05 Dec 2013
Location: Wales
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How many people actually have first-hand knowledge of Travelers, most people seem to stereotype them with what they have heard and read.

Firstly travellers is a generic term for several groups of people from genuine Romany people to groups of people known as tinkers, pikeys, knackers, gypsies or paves. Are they all thieves and vagabonds, of course they are not, but unfortunately because they are all grouped together and people believe what they are told they all get tarred with the same brush.

Where I live we have recently had a spate of thefts of 4x4’s, caravans, garage tools and machinery, this coincided with the arrival of a group of travellers who had camped up nearby just off the A55. Nearly everyone was blaming the travellers and wanted the police and council to move them on. As it turned out the male travellers were in fact working as demolisher's on a large office complex in Bangor and the thieves who were later caught were a group of low lives from the Wirral. Just goes to show! For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..

http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1

8th Apr 2016 11:26am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
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So woolybacks were the real culprits!

8th Apr 2016 11:36am

gabe3105

Member Since: 25 May 2015
Location: Grimsby
Posts: 237

^^^^^^^ You are right, of course, whole groups of people should not be tarred with the same brush.

However.....I have to ask myself, with no fixed abode and therefore no address, how are they managing to register properly with an employer in order to pay their lawful taxes on their earnings from demolishing the office complex

8th Apr 2016 11:37am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

PAYE - do you need an address to have your tax deducted at source?

8th Apr 2016 11:41am

Screbble

Member Since: 26 Apr 2015
Location: Lancashire
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Thanks for making that objective point Gilarion

I do have first hand experience of said groups in both a personal and professional capacity. It is not all good I'm afraid, but of course that can be said about any community group

You are absolutely right about the opportunists who use the presence of such groups as a diversion and/or distraction to commit crime that is no way connected to the presence of said visitors. I have personal and professional experience of these situations also. Unfortunately it is in fact more common than most people think.

It is also a fact that those indicated in the original post, were indeed the less respectable members of the poorly-represented community groups, and in the space of only a week or so, were 'alleged' to have committed a number of crimes and definitely caused quite a bit of damage to public places. Legal issues and common decency aside, unfortunately those who visited my locality recently aren't helping the stereotypical poor perception of the majority who are law abiding members of the community. Again, and disappointingly, that can be said about all community groups.

Of course I simply can't believe that there are any low-lives on the Wirral and therefore I must ask you to retract your comments with immediate effect!

PS I use the word 'alleged' as they have only been arrested and charged at this stage - not convicted.

8th Apr 2016 11:43am

gabe3105

Member Since: 25 May 2015
Location: Grimsby
Posts: 237

Supacat wrote:
PAYE - do you need an address to have your tax deducted at source?

I'm not a tax expert but I would have thought so - how do HMRC send notice of tax codes out so the employer knows how much tax to deduct, or employers send P60s or P45s out when someone is gone with no address

That is if they did the work as an employee, what if they did it as a contractor or sole trader so the onus was on them to declare their taxable income

8th Apr 2016 11:47am

simon67

Member Since: 18 Jun 2015
Location: west sussex
Posts: 569

I can only go by experience

Do as you likeys camped on Southwick Hill - cost to Council to clear up after £200K

Irish likeys camped on the South Downs, two missing caravans, one old lady punched and the pubs banned anyone with an Irish accent - - cost to Council £20K

8th Apr 2016 12:05pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

gabe3105 wrote:
Supacat wrote:
PAYE - do you need an address to have your tax deducted at source?

I'm not a tax expert but I would have thought so - how do HMRC send notice of tax codes out so the employer knows how much tax to deduct, or employers send P60s or P45s out when someone is gone with no address

That is if they did the work as an employee, what if they did it as a contractor or sole trader so the onus was on them to declare their taxable income

8th Apr 2016 1:14pm

gabe3105

Member Since: 25 May 2015
Location: Grimsby
Posts: 237

Like anything, there is nothing that cannot be done, however on the balance of probabilities (due to the difficulties of not having an address) it is likely they will not be paying tax. It is difficult to get a job without an address and to work in UK and be registered for tax/benefits you need an NI number, to get an NI number you need proof (among other things) that you are looking for work (rejection letters etc) and you need proof of ID usually with an address on. Without these things, it is unlikely you will be a registered employee on a company's books getting electronic versions of P45, P60, notice of codings etc.

Similarly if they are employed as a sole trader, it is unlikely that most of them will voluntarily declare their earnings to HMRC, particularly when they cannot really be traced due to having no address

8th Apr 2016 1:54pm

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