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AlpsLandy



Member Since: 11 Jan 2012
Location: Alps
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France 
Spot of bad luck...
Here is the unfortunate result of 2 cyclists who jumped a red light while filtering through high-sided traffic - ending up sprawled across my pride and joy...

They gave quite a shock to my friend who was driving at the time, but as a member of the MAMIL club myself, I was glad nobody was hurt (badly). The police attended and cleared my friend of any wrong doing due lots of stationary witnesses, but of course I need to get the old girl fixed.

It looks to me like a home repair job but if I take it to a body shop is there anything I should tell them about when it comes to fixing the aluminium Defender panels? Bonnet also has a double dimple the dent!

I ask because this is rural France and I would be surprised if they have ever had a Defender cross the threshold of the town let alone enter their workshop...

Thanks for any tips Thumbs Up



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 2011 Defender 90 SW
2006 Discovery 3 HSE


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dorsetsmith



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I had the same Spot of bad luck two year ago, the outer wing unbolts you can remove the wing and replace with new one


get your self outer wing and the paint and have fun Thumbs Up


i had to do it out side in farm yard and the hole wing too Big Cry but you can not tell that it ever happen now Very Happy

have you pic of the bonnet Question


Test fit new wing parts before painting


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ARC99



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Civil claim against the cyclists for cost of professional repair? Don't make old people mad.
We don't like being old in the first place,
so it doesn't take much to Censored us off.

Richard
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Supacat



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OK things might be different in France but do you get their name and address? How do you go in claiming against them, did they have any insurance/
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dorsetsmith



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Civil claim against the cyclists for cost of professional repair? Rolling with laughter bad enough in uk, in France Exclamation no disrespect

Cyclists should be made to have insurance Mad
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Supacat



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So is it just a sorry mate and they pedal off? Shocked
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ARC99



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dorsetsmith wrote:
Civil claim against the cyclists for cost of professional repair? Rolling with laughter bad enough in uk, in France Exclamation no disrespect

Cyclists should be made to have insurance Mad



I have done it in the UK and I agree about the insurance. Don't make old people mad.
We don't like being old in the first place,
so it doesn't take much to Censored us off.

Richard
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AlpsLandy



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France 
Thanks for the comments fellas.

The way it works in France is like this. Much as steam gives way to sail at sea, it's a case of motors give way to pedal power and that is about it. In this scenario the gendarmes were only really interested in confirming that the driver was not at fault and took no action against the cyclists despite the presence of eye witnesses.

Before we get too excited about this (I did for a little while Whistle ), I should say that my wife is French and a barrister... This is the normal way in which such incidents are dealt with - as a driver just be glad that you were innocent of any misdemeanour.

All French residents should have an insurance that covers everything from your dog causing an accident to your kids breaking a window whilst out playing. The cyclists had this insurance. However, since motors give way to pedals, the rules of the road are secondary to this basic tenet. The cyclists have a claim against my insurance for 2 destroyed bikes Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter . Laughing truly is the only option here. Witnesses - check, driver innocent - check, my insurance still pays - errrr check...

For this reason I will probably let the insurance fix it anyway but don't want a crappy job from a body shop that isn't familiar with our precious vehicles Smile.

Dented bonnet shown below... Second dent is in the shaded area. Other marks are wall reflections Smile


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gilarion



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All adult cyclists should have INSURANCE like any other road going two wheeler!

Early in the summer one of my neighbours was hit by a cyclist, the cyclist going at about twenty five miles per hour on the pavement, knocked him down and caused several broken ribs, the cyclist just stopped said you OK mate and then cycled off. Neighbour was in a lot of pain and had to have time off work.

NOW WHAT GETS MY GOAT is that many cyclists have helmet mounted cameras in case a motorist does something wrong but Oh no not them they get away with it. Mandatory insurance and some sort of point system to ban the cyclists who jump red lights and break every other higway code law. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..

http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1
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mk1collector



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I think any pedestrian or car/van/truck/etc driver should be able to shoot any cyclist doing stupid/dangerous things or riding then all the cyclists would stay away from pavements and vehicles Mr. Green Rolling with laughter Ray
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Freypal



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Quote:
I think any pedestrian or car/van/truck/etc driver should be able to shoot any cyclist doing stupid/dangerous things or riding then all the cyclists would stay away from pavements and vehicles Mr. Green Rolling with laughter


Having been on the very painful receiving end of a motorist "doing stupid/dangerous things" whilst on a bike myself, this statement can apply both ways.
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mk1collector



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I didn't say drivers were any better Rolling with laughter Ray
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Freypal



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Laughing
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dorsetsmith



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For this reason I will probably let the insurance fix it anyway but don't want a crappy job from a body shop that isn't familiar with our precious vehicles


be careful insurance doesn't not right it off Exclamation do hop bikes are cheap Whistle
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mse



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The problem is, our roads (unlike most of Europe) aren't built for cyclists and personally i think roads are for cars - cyclists need to follow the rules, should have a good network of their own paths/roads, carry insurance and most importantly - not think they own the place.

Sorry to hear about your defender and the insurance!! Mike
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