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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6324   
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What breather pipe!!! I used to think I was mental to think the top half of the tank could run different to the lower half. It's got to be worth a look. Can you please advise on the breather pipe you are referring to. Good luck with the repair. I think the mantec wheel carrier is the most popular and perhaps Brendan can help (site sponsor). |
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8th Jan 2016 8:09am |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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Without any doubt, this one below here, the thinner of the two in the picture. The one that after several years starts to split at both ends and has to be replaced then, ideally preventive, you don't want to wait for a leak to develop. Caterham, suggest you start checking and changing asap.
Eric  Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw Last edited by ericvv on 8th Jan 2016 9:23am. Edited 1 time in total |
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8th Jan 2016 9:22am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17682  
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Not cosmetic, it was changed for cost and tolerance reasons I believe. With the tabs on the outside of the body panel (old arrangement) the body and the chassis have to be exactly the same length, which, with manufacturing tolerances, is quite difficult to achieve (especially with worn tooling) and hence costly. With the later arrangement, the fixed tabs were replaced with an angle section fixed accross the rear crossmember whcih is adjustable front and rear to compensate for manufacturing variations in body length. This ia why very often the body overhangs the crossmember. My 110 doesn't hanve the dent that the OP's has, but but ut us very apparent looking along the crossmember that the bodyline curves and the corners of the rear body are further back than the centre. I cannot really imagine that any change to the Defender has ever been purely cosmetic - it would be a bit like slapping makeup on the ugly sister! |
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8th Jan 2016 9:29am |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6324
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[quote="ericvv"]Without any doubt, this one below here, the thinner of the two in the picture. The one that after several years starts to split at both ends and has to be replaced then, ideally preventive, you don't want to wait for a leak to develop. Caterham, suggest you start checking and changing asap.
Eric thanks Eric. I'll have another look. this has been changed already under warranty but I also notice the joint from plastic to rubber (on the larger one) appears to leak very slighty. must look into this and the worn fuel line -  |
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8th Jan 2016 9:45am |
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| ickle Member Since: 22 Jul 2010 Location: South Vendee Posts: 1847  
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I've carried some serious weight on a roof rack with no panel deformation - but road use only.
Looks like the body is collapsing onto the chassis - what are the shut lines on the C post like (rear doors) sales of goods act - fit for purpose? Unless you do 'Dukes of Hazard' jumps every weekend! |
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8th Jan 2016 4:55pm |
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| milesr3 Member Since: 12 Feb 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 873 
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I don't see how that can have been caused by climbing on the spare wheel. It looks more like the body has been mounted to the chassis without being shimmed correctly and it has shifted or found its position after being jolted. If it had been forced downward, then the gap between the bottom of the rear panel and crossmember would have closed up.
On my MY13 110 the rear panel is proud of the rear crossmember by 3mm with no signs of distortion. Were these last off the line Defenders assembled in a hurry? |
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8th Jan 2016 5:09pm |
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| simond Member Since: 15 Feb 2008 Location: Kent Posts: 26
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I think this damage is due to the vehicle being driven, at some point in its life, with the rear door open. Probably due to the catch not latching, can happen with central locking.
Leverage of the door and mounted tyre in different orientation would cause deformation of bottom hinge area especially if it went over a bump. Simon D |
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10th Jan 2016 4:24pm |
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| nickhodgson Member Since: 08 Dec 2009 Location: Zambia Posts: 174 
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This sort of damage is fairly common where I come from and I have seen a number of vehicles with similar creases. Old and relatively new. I usually install the rear side facing seat belt mountings as they have a support that goes from the chassis corner to the corner of the tub and I think this gives the body a bit more support. Could explain why this occurred in a utility?
This should not happen. If the panel was supposed to have a crease then it would be like that from the factory. So its a defect and should be repaired. I believe it occurs when the body moves downwards. If the body was fully supported along the chassis I would say there is no option to move downwards so you would not get a crease, so I think it is possible to get a crease if the body is not mounted correctly at the factory. Alternatively if you load that corner of the rear tub (with a spare wheel on the roof rack of a fender duel tank hanging off it or a seat for example) then its more likely. It also seems that if you drive on bad roads (as per the LR adverts so the vehicle should be suitable for it) then it occurs more often or quicker. Cheers Nick 1995 300tdi Defender 90 P/UP 2011 Puma Defender 130 D/C 2000 300tdi Defender 110 P/UP 2015 Discovery 4 SDV6 HSE |
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12th Jan 2016 9:33am |
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| Jonno Member Since: 06 Mar 2012 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 234 
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Just looked at mine. No damage but on the drivers side if the body were to drop another mm it would hit the rear crosmember and bend. The rear panel is directly over the crossmember on this side.
On the passenger side the body sticks out 3-4 mm beyond the crossmember so would just miss it if it took a move downwards. My thoughts would be it was set up like mine and has taken a battering off road the body has moved a bit and bent the alloy. Jonno |
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13th Jan 2016 6:04pm |
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| Jukathy Member Since: 25 Jan 2015 Location: Berlin Posts: 170 
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The spare wheel is too heavy for the back door if your car is bouncing off road. Just drive a little bit smoother in future or take the wheel down or have the wheel fixed on a special steel framing. |
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14th Jan 2016 9:38pm |
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