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Mash



Member Since: 09 Feb 2015
Location: Guernsey
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Guernsey 1998 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Nato Green
Warning Wolf wheels
A safety notice has just come out about Wolf wheels. This has been reinforced by the fact one of our Lanys lost a wheel today.

Due to 5 cases in the last month this safety notice has come out.

Drivers are to visually check all wheel nuts prior to driving the vehicle, if any nuts are found to be loose they are to be tightened with the issued bar or suitable torque wrench and further tightened after 30 mins of driving.

The torque setting is 170Nm

I think this more boils down to poor maintenance ie not correctly torquing the wheel nuts after refitting of the wheel, I regularly remove/replace wheels and have never had any problems and after years and millions of miles working on a fleet of vehicles fitted with them its suspicious so many are failing now.

So just a little remainder for people with them fitted it might be worth a quick check just to be safe Thumbs Up
[/b] 90 wolf - Jasmin http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic39408.html
90 V8 - Maggie http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic42564.html
110 TD5 - Buggsy http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic59029.html
52HG25 lightweight https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic72342.html
D3 Hse - Fiona
Capri 2l S - Anna

Think I might have a problem............
Post #506574 20th Feb 2016 11:24pm
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Retroanaconda



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Clearly someone needs retraining in using a torque wrench.

As an aside, I've always just done my Wolf/HD rims up to 110nm. Got half a chance of getting the damn things undone on the side of the motorway in the Censored rain that way.
Post #506623 21st Feb 2016 10:16am
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Mash



Member Since: 09 Feb 2015
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Guernsey 1998 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Nato Green
I always do 170Nm and keep a good quality 1/2in nuckle bar/socket in the bag (along with a bag full of tools) 90 wolf - Jasmin http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic39408.html
90 V8 - Maggie http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic42564.html
110 TD5 - Buggsy http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic59029.html
52HG25 lightweight https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic72342.html
D3 Hse - Fiona
Capri 2l S - Anna

Think I might have a problem............
Post #506627 21st Feb 2016 10:26am
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Supacat



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green
Thanks - can't do any harm to check mine in the morning.

Always carry heavy duty socket, long breaker bar and 4ft length of scaffold pipe - having been caught out before.
Post #506778 21st Feb 2016 7:48pm
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shaggydog



Member Since: 12 Aug 2012
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United Kingdom 1991 Defender 110 200 Tdi USW Arles Blue
I put nut indicators on my wheels for exactly this reason.


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Always give my truck a quick look over every weekend to make sure its ok for work on Monday and always check to make sure they haven't moved. Then once a month I jack up the wheel take it off inspect brakes and put back and re-torque.

Some don't like them because they think it makes it look to much like a utility board truck, but I quite like them so Cool


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Self confessed mileage hunter Very Happy
Post #506783 21st Feb 2016 7:59pm
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Mike_B



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United Kingdom 2006 Defender 110 Td5 USW Java Black
Wonder if these vehicles were all runnning the longer wolf studs or not?
Post #506791 21st Feb 2016 8:26pm
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Mash



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Guernsey 1998 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Nato Green
^^ all the current fleet of Wolfs run with the longer studs, it was only the updated titounus ? Can't remember the spelling 110/90 fleet that used the shorter stud. I don't know of any still in use. 90 wolf - Jasmin http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic39408.html
90 V8 - Maggie http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic42564.html
110 TD5 - Buggsy http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic59029.html
52HG25 lightweight https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic72342.html
D3 Hse - Fiona
Capri 2l S - Anna

Think I might have a problem............
Post #506816 21st Feb 2016 8:48pm
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Retroanaconda



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Plus most civvy vehicles with HD wheels, at least all the ones I've seen anyway.

110nm is more than enough, they won't come undone.
Post #506833 21st Feb 2016 9:32pm
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
I'm not quite sure how a visual check will spot loose (or insufficiently tightened) nuts! I guess if they've departed the vehicle it may spot them though.
Post #506856 21st Feb 2016 10:37pm
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Mash



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Guernsey 1998 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Nato Green
^^ no one ever said the army had to make sense. 90 wolf - Jasmin http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic39408.html
90 V8 - Maggie http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic42564.html
110 TD5 - Buggsy http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic59029.html
52HG25 lightweight https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic72342.html
D3 Hse - Fiona
Capri 2l S - Anna

Think I might have a problem............
Post #506859 21st Feb 2016 10:51pm
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jimbob7



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blackwolf wrote:
I'm not quite sure how a visual check will spot loose (or insufficiently tightened) nuts! I guess if they've departed the vehicle it may spot them though.


Usually see rust marks on the wheel around the nut (on steel wheels Neutral ).Also vosa (before it was vosa..or wotevah it is now) used to be called wheel tappers,coz a loose nut when tapped with a hammer made a different sound to a tightened nut.But in general I agree,only time I've known wheels come off trucks Shocked is when there have been nuts missing to start with,which was entirely the drivers fault for not checking them on his (vosa recommended)DAILY checks,also, even wheels that have stayed attached have deformed massively because of missing wheel nuts.

Interestingly,HGV drivers are required to check wheel nuts on a DAILY basis,a quick look thru the Defender handbook doesn't seem to mention them at all,so again it looks like poor maintenance from the garage (another reason I don't trust fitters).

R.e Wolf wheels,I really would wack them up to the recommended torque tho,a huge amount of difference between an out of balance alloy wheel and Wolf wheel.
You bounce a wheel off the kerb whilst driving at speed can also loosen wheel nuts. Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5.
Post #506955 22nd Feb 2016 12:35pm
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dave18



Member Since: 11 Jul 2015
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United Kingdom 1984 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Portofino Red
170nm is only 125ftlb which i can do with a 12inch adjustable by hand so no issues doing it with a wheel brace!!
Could it be people not cleaning mating faces thust putting them on torquing them up the crap falls out and thus a lose nut!!! That or someone not knowing how to use a torque wrench lol
Post #507680 24th Feb 2016 4:10pm
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Supacat



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green
I'm trying to remember if a torque wrench was a REME tool or just available from Stores - it certainly didn't sit in the CES kit kept on any vehicle.
Post #507685 24th Feb 2016 4:19pm
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Mash



Member Since: 09 Feb 2015
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Guernsey 1998 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Nato Green
Land Rovers only come with a wheel brace, the torque wrench is held both by REME (in the stores and in Vms toolboxes) and also by the MT stores who issue the CES for the wagon.

The bigger trucks are issued with the 3/4" drive torque wrench now. 90 wolf - Jasmin http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic39408.html
90 V8 - Maggie http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic42564.html
110 TD5 - Buggsy http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic59029.html
52HG25 lightweight https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic72342.html
D3 Hse - Fiona
Capri 2l S - Anna

Think I might have a problem............
Post #507700 24th Feb 2016 5:15pm
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dave18



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United Kingdom 1984 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Portofino Red
3/4" Drive christ you will be shearing the studs off lol good thing they are all R/H thread unlike some which have L/H thread!!!!!!!!!!
Post #507845 24th Feb 2016 10:21pm
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