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| Wild Card 90 Member Since: 03 Dec 2014 Location: Gerlingen Posts: 1060   
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Just came back from a 3000 Km round trip down to Croatia.
Looking forward to receiving the shift kit, I observed the standard shift more closely than usual (on long journeys, you look for stuff to pass the time  . I am quite optimistic that Iīm going to like the shorter, all be it slightly more mechanical gear shift. The positive comments here are equally encouraging. 
Waiting patiently  1998 Tdi 90 SW,
2008 Td4 90 SW, 2012 2.2 90 SW, 2" raised Trailmaster/Terrafirma Heavy Track Raids, 255 MTīs, Recaro CSīs, anorak, wellingtons |
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6th Sep 2016 7:10pm |
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| Trundlebus Member Since: 15 Jul 2014 Location: Herts Posts: 99 
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I have just fitted this to my 2.2. I had no real issues with the gearchange other than occaisonally struggling to find 5th but i did find it a bit slow, that is a huge pause in neutral even if i didnt want it. Now that of course can be a goood thing but not halfway up a hill with an all up wieght of 3.5 tonnes.
It took about 40 minutes all in and i have given it a test drive. It is much more positive. A shorter throw seems to make Less likely to wobble the stick around in nuetral between 4th and 5th. Anyhow i like it. My truck has done 25k milkes and there were already wear grooves on the forward facing side of the nylon ball i guess it would only have got worse. Worth the money and effort i think. |
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18th Sep 2016 3:36pm |
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| Mjibex Member Since: 21 Mar 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 283 
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It would be interesting to know if anyone who has fitted 1 of these or taken the shift mech apart for another reason, with a worn plastic ball (who has owned the car from new); would confirm on deny resting their hand on the gear lever whilst driving?
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18th Sep 2016 5:57pm |
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| Trundlebus Member Since: 15 Jul 2014 Location: Herts Posts: 99
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I have owned mine from 6 months old 5000 miles and i have not and will not rest my hand on the gearstick, i habe a damaged wrist which makes doing so uncomfortable.
Does that help? |
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18th Sep 2016 6:23pm |
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| Trundlebus Member Since: 15 Jul 2014 Location: Herts Posts: 99
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I have owned mine from 6 months old 5000 miles and i have not and will not rest my hand on the gearstick, i habe a damaged wrist which makes doing so uncomfortable.
Does that help? |
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18th Sep 2016 6:55pm |
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| Mjibex Member Since: 21 Mar 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 283
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Yes - I'm am just intrigued as to wether this may be the cause of worn balls! So maybe not the case. Have taken mine apart to look.
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18th Sep 2016 7:13pm |
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| Cupboard Member Since: 21 Mar 2014 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2971 
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I had a play with them at the LRO show and the difference is immense. They're just so nice!
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18th Sep 2016 8:06pm |
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| Wild Card 90 Member Since: 03 Dec 2014 Location: Gerlingen Posts: 1060
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Fitted the slick shift kit this afternoon, and Iīm really pleased with it. At a relaxed pace (after watching the recommended instalation video) and including removing footwell and tunnel carpets, it took about an hour.
The shift movement feels like it has been halved, and it feels technical and precise. However, the movement is noticeably heavier, particularly when selecting reverse. Fitting is no problem, although there are a couple of points I consider worth mentioning. Although in the video might encourage some to take a short cut (as shown) and pull the gaiter through the floormat/carpet, donīt! Unless your Landy is a farm hack (in which case you are unlikely to fit a short shifter anyway) you will probably do more damage than good. Removing and refittng the tunnel carpet only takes a few minutes each way. Once the original mechanism was exposed, Before unscrewing it, I took a moment to look at how much play the plastic pivot ball had. My Defender has 75000 Km relatively gentle Kilometers on it, and the ball could easily be moved about 1-2mm up and down. The shift was loose, easy to move, but not in any way worn out. Dissembly is easy. The parts had the expected amount of white silicone grease on them, and were easy to separate and clean, and were quickly ready to be reassembled with the supplied parts. Copious amounts of grease is the way to go, but it can be a little more strategic than shown. Both ball and sockets should be well greased. I filled the rubber gaiter that sits below the pivot ball with grease, and filled the gaps between lever and retaining cap, once everything was together. The supplied four fixing screws appear to be aluminium (weight saving?), so be careful when pulling them up tight. I decided to do without the suggested dob of grease before clipping the shift lever/knob back on to the new steel selector. It isnīt a moving part, and shouldnīt become one, so donīt consider grease to be the right medium there. Eager to experience the result, I went for a test drive. The gear lever feels directly connected, and precise. Impressively short movement, that literally changes the character of the Defender. Owners used to manual shifters in performance cars will feel comfortable with the nature and weight of the shift. I didnīt expect it to make the shift lighter or smooth out the first to second change, and it doesnīt. It does however, make it instinctively easier to find the right speed and rythm when rowing through the gears. On assembly, I had noticed that pivot and selector balls are tighter fits in their respective sockets. The result is that initially the shift is so tight that the cross-gate (left-right) spring doesnīt actually return the gear lever to 3rd/4th gate automatically. Shifting from 2nd to 3rd was a little strange to begin with. After a few miles of shifting up and down the box, the mechanism starts to ease up, and the familiar orientation returned. Unfortunately the noise that the gear lever used to make, before I fixed the two counter weights had also returned, except it wasnīt the weights. The gear lever wasnīt quite as snug on the new selector as it had been on the old plastic one. It is just enough to create a noise. An extremely short strip of electrical tape around the selector, before refitting the shift lever quickly fixed that. All in all, a wonderful and easy to fit modification that I am sure Iīll savour, every time I drive it. I wouldnīt recommend it for the farm hack, or gardenerīs 130, but If your Defender already has sports seats and steering wheel, it seams to fit the general scheme quite well.
 Click image to enlarge 2008 Td4 90 SW, 2012 2.2 90 SW, 2" raised Trailmaster/Terrafirma Heavy Track Raids, 255 MTīs, Recaro CSīs, anorak, wellingtons |
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19th Sep 2016 8:00pm |
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| alastaid Member Since: 03 Dec 2013 Location: York Posts: 78
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Hi, thought I would wade in with my experiences. So mine is an 09 Puma with 40k on the clock and no real problems with changing gear, just standard Puma feel. I was convinced before going to the LRO show that I wouldn't want one, I had got used to the gear change, and I certainly didn't want to rush the synchros by changing the gear lever throw. However I felt the demo box they had on the stand and it was so much better, so bought one at the show offer price.
Fitted it today and whoa what a difference, the change is far more precise, more modern feel, and actually allows for a more relaxed change rather than rushed. So I can only say I have done a load of mods to my car to make it more modern (Double Din, DAB, Cruise etc etc), and this mod just falls in with all the others it makes the car better to drive. If you had two identical Pumas side by side and had to test drive both of them, the only difference being the slick shift, there is no doubt you would choose the one with a slick shift to buy. Cheers Alastairs |
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21st Sep 2016 8:10pm |
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| JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7907 
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James
MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641 MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557 Instagram @suffolk_rovers |
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21st Sep 2016 10:02pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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Good you are happy with it. It surely fits right in with the sporty pedals you seem to have. 
I just keep my standard rubber pedal covers, so don't think I need this slickshift myself. 
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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21st Sep 2016 10:26pm |
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| Wild Card 90 Member Since: 03 Dec 2014 Location: Gerlingen Posts: 1060
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Alastairs, glad to hear that you are equally pleased. A very relevant point youīve is that this modification doesnīt actually encourage faster shifts, but instead makes you feel your way through the gears. It feels precise, and allows more sensitivity. Yes, I know. Sensitivity isnīt the first word that comes to mind when you think Defender. Not everyoneīs cup of tea, is it, Eric. I agree, rubber pedal caps fit perfectly to the standard Defenderīs gearshift. 
Stephen 1998 Tdi 90 SW, 2008 Td4 90 SW, 2012 2.2 90 SW, 2" raised Trailmaster/Terrafirma Heavy Track Raids, 255 MTīs, Recaro CSīs, anorak, wellingtons |
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22nd Sep 2016 8:52am |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816
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Stephen, I think I won't have trouble to continue to live with my "standard" gearshift sticks. Slow 'n steady, but never missing the right gear.
Eric Click image to enlarge You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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22nd Sep 2016 6:34pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5841  
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It feels precise, and allows more sensitivity. Yes, I know. Sensitivity isnīt the first word that comes to mind when you think Defender. Stephen[/quote] I'm very sensitive.... Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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22nd Sep 2016 9:13pm |
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