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Matt_H



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United Kingdom 2009 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Zambezi Silver
Oily smell - specifically related to Heater blower being on
Hi all.

A quick question if I may. The 90 XS 2.4 has a distinct "hot oil" smell coming through into the cabin when the heater blower is switched on (and set to warm/hot).

There is a bit of oil mist around the passenger side of the engine under the bonnet (top of engine) I've noticed - is there a breather hose or something that could be causing it, or something else entierly.

For clarity, its not an exhaust smell, and its certainly not a coolant smell either.

Any ideas?

Cheers
Matt.
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LandRoverAnorak



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I can't tell you where the oil mist is coming from but the fact that it's getting into the cabin is almost certainly a result of the poor seal between heater duct and bulkhead. It's a rubbish design that just relies on a bit of compressed foam, unfortunately. Darren

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Angus_Beef



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There is a very poor joint between the heater motor and the intake ducting that can cause the hvac to pull air from the engine bay, leading to just what you are describing. Roaming around πŸ‡³πŸ‡΄πŸ‡¨πŸ‡­
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Angus_Beef



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LandRoverAnorak wrote:
I can't tell you where the oil mist is coming from but the fact that it's getting into the cabin is almost certainly a result of the poor seal between heater duct and bulkhead. It's a rubbish design that just relies on a bit of compressed foam, unfortunately.


Does the 2.4 have the vacuum pump there? Roaming around πŸ‡³πŸ‡΄πŸ‡¨πŸ‡­
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LandRoverAnorak



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Not sure, to be honest.

Reading both of our replies back, I realise that I should have said the foam seal between the heater duct and the heater casing, which is on the bulkhead Rolling Eyes Darren

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Matt_H



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...oh that sounds like it could be the problem ! I'll go and have a look now Very Happy
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Matt_H



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DeeEss wrote:
There is a very poor joint between the heater motor and the intake ducting that can cause the hvac to pull air from the engine bay, leading to just what you are describing.



So I've had a look at this and it certianly is a rubbish design ! The foam is compressed fairly well towards the wing side, but towards the engine of the its not compressed at all, and I can weave my finger into the gap.

This certainly is a prime suspect, but I'm just struggling with why I only get the smell when the heater is set to hot, and not on cold (when you'd think it would be drawing air the same way)


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Matt_H



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...next question, how do I remove the plastic intake ducting (not the HVAC unit) so I can improve the seal, and potentially clean some oily stuff off the leading edge of the heater matrix through the intake vent hole?
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Matt_H



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..and I can now see its held in by the wing top vent, and there are a couple of metal wing braces in the way. I've also noticed that the foam seal in one area has actually gone inside the join, so is doing nothing useful there at all.

I think this will be a job for the weekend, once this current ice cold wind has dropped.

And thanks to "Nigel" - I now know you can't remove the duct without removing the heater ( ) so I'll see what I can achieve by losening it first.


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dorsetsmith



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very poor joint between the heater motor and wing air inlet



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https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic75787.html?highlight=heater
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Matt_H



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Yep, thanks very much for the confirmation photo Smile

Mine is not quite that bad, but certainly not to good either!

Cheers
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jpboost



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it really is a terrible design.

When I get some spare time (!) I intend to try to put a fixing in there to hold the two together. I think it was a thread where some cable ties allowed the 2 pieces to be clamped together.

EDIT: I can't now find the thread I was thinking of, but will pop back and update when i do!
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Angus_Beef



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I have a single layer of black gaffer tape over the joint of mine as a temporary fix. It’s been there three years now and works great… Roaming around πŸ‡³πŸ‡΄πŸ‡¨πŸ‡­
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Matt110



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This was my thread on my solution to the poor fit.

https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic75787.html

It's done lots of miles since and all fine. Sucks from the wingtip vent nicely!
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Matt_H



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Very handy, thank you Smile
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