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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5818   
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We have every version here. A local superstore moved site and its old site's car park was filled within a week with the white caravan, flash car brigade. But they were gone within a week as I don't think the local Gendarmes, let alone the CRS (riot police) are quite as touchy-feely about moving them on. Also the French are not shy in telling it as it is and how much they dislike them. No bleeding heart liberals in France, at least not when it gets in the way of your quality of life, so no Mayor would survive if they didn't act quickly.
At the other end of the spectrum Chamonix (less so other areas) is the Mecca for extreme skiing/boarding and as such has an association with drop-out culture of the pants-down-your-ankles set, but who claim it's just 'like, freedom and the mountains dude...' and each year convoys of converted trucks, vans, buses etc descend on the town for people to 'live the dream, bro'. In years gone by they were scattered everywhere, recently the council has penned them in to a single carpark per town. But that merely means each looks like a squat, with  everywhere, bonfires, discarded bicycles, dogs, continuous partying, washing, stoves (in the vans) pumping out fumes from God only knows what source, etc etc. Just looks such a frigging mess.
I have no truck with people wishing to live a nomadic lifestyle, indeed many of us Defender owners enjoying getting away from it all. But if you want to do it, don't look or act like a bum, respect other people's land and property, obey the laws of the country you are in, don't overstay your welcome, be polite and grateful, tidy up when you go and DON'T DO IT ON MY DIME. Work first, pay your taxes, save up and then become a nomad on your own flick, not on the Rock and roll.... Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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2nd Sep 2015 1:15pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5110  
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One of the little known sources of income for travellers is home schooling. Now in principle the Education Funding Agency and local councils will not provide funds for Home schooling. However, there is a loophole that many Travellers exploit which is home schooling for children with special needs. Travellers claim that due to their lifestyle their children are disadvantaged educationaly, which places them in the special needs category and consequently travellers can claim funding for home education under that criteria.
The funding is claimed direct from the Education Funding Agency and equates to over £15.000 per child over the child’s early educational life, 5-16 age years. Just say the travellers family has four children that is £60.000 plus over their children’s school years. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 Last edited by gilarion on 3rd Sep 2015 11:44am. Edited 1 time in total |
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2nd Sep 2015 1:30pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298  
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2nd Sep 2015 2:12pm |
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| Spookytooth Member Since: 19 Jan 2014 Location: Lincolnshire Posts: 202  
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Great use of this forum, to attack minorities, who should we go for next? Maybe the moderator can create a new section to make it easier for us to post and God help anyone with different customs to ours that way we can show that rather than a rich and diverse culture we just want clones of our perfect selfs
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2nd Sep 2015 8:07pm |
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| fathaggis Member Since: 31 May 2015 Location: taynuilt Posts: 385 
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if they would live by the laws of the land like wee all do ....... oh no they delibaretly break bylaws every time they move and have even ruined a local beauty spot near here ...... costing thousands they blamed the dog walker s for the human
all over he place and the rubbish wasn't them .......
i have no patience for people who break the laws for fun and mostly get away with it .....a true traveller i have met a few, you wouldn't even notice them they get on with things and leave no mess ... the so called travelers who cause all the hassle and cost thousands to clean up after are just scum yes scum .they want want take take distroy then move on and do it all again .......... they are not a minority they are a problem like rats . sorry poor rats getting a bad name |
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2nd Sep 2015 8:23pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5110
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No one has truly denigrated the travelling community in their posts on this thread. Rather they have expressed opinions and given facts as they see them. Perhaps travellers have been stereotyped in some posts; on the other hand most travellers live a lifestyle that breaks the law and can cause problems both in nuisance, sanitation and a rise in crime for some communities, especially in rural areas, that is not a generalist statement but a known fact, so consequently some people feel aggravated when travellers illegally pitch sites in the areas where individuals reside in. On a forum people’s views are expressed, just as you communicated yours, providing no one goes a step beyond and vilifies a minority or person to the point where it is considered tasteless or tries to incite hatred, then everyone is entitled to share their views on a given topic. Also this forum like nearly all forums is policed by Moderators or Moderator, who see to it that their forums remain within the boundaries of the law and decency. The moderator on this forum does a good job in seeing that posts remain within the remit of what is considered acceptable. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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3rd Sep 2015 11:25am |
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| ARC99 Member Since: 19 Feb 2013 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 1831 
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Most of these people have homes in Ireland and travel here during the late spring/early summer. as has been mention some play the benefits game re education etc. Vehicles and caravans are left in storage during late summer/early autumn when they return home. Don't make old people mad.
We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to us off.
Richard |
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3rd Sep 2015 11:40am |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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There are good and bad in all communities.
I'm not sure I follow the argument that some elements of the traveller community are keen to get their offspring labelled as SEN [Special Educational Needs], home educatated children who have been statemented thus come under much closer scrutiny and ongoing monitoring by Local Authorities - which hardly fits in with the ethos who reject outside interference. I also believe that any funding is at the discretion of the Local Authority and while new guidlines encourage LA's in reality it is not often granted anyway. http://edyourself.org/articles/funding.php Steve. Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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3rd Sep 2015 1:07pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5110
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While it was in 1993, in-between teaching jobs, I worked for Manchester Local Education, now Manchester Authority, in their Inspection and Advisory division. Part of my remit was seeing that Travellers and Romany children were receiving a proper education. This would involve a visit to their official camps and to sites that were not. On these visits I would be accompanied by a uniformed police officer, which often was looked at as confrontational by travellers, nonetheless that was my departments rule due to various levels of aggression shown to employees in my department by travellers. I can assure you that many of the children on these sites were not statemented but still came under the ‘needy children’ criteria. My objective was to try and convince the parents to get their children to attend state schools while they were in the authority’s area, however as many of the travellers, (less so with Romany parents), were self-schooling their children I was rarely successful in progressing their children on to a school register. Even in those days travelling parents were receiving a grant in order to ‘self-school’ their children, paid not by local authorities but direct in those days by central government through the then called funding department of the DfE as well as various charities. While I take your point about travelling communities rejecting outside interference, travellers and Romany people it seemed to me were very informed about the law and funding opportunities. Being classed as a minority group also gives Travellers a separate ruling that the rest of us do not receive. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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3rd Sep 2015 2:07pm |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6605 
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Guys, just a reminder that this is a subject over which it is easy to cause offence, so comment carefully. Thanks
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2015 D90 XS SW |
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3rd Sep 2015 3:00pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5110
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Precisely and well mentioned Martin. Keep to true facts and we all get informed. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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3rd Sep 2015 3:14pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471
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Although certainly not a member of the traveller community I do speak with some experience of home education* and interaction on the matter with Local Authorities.
* I personally prefer the term home education as opposed to home schooling. Steve. Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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3rd Sep 2015 4:19pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5110
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As I mentioned in my post 'Now in principle the Education Funding Agency and local councils will not provide funds for Home schooling'
But there are loopholes in which the system can be exploited. Home Education may be better terminology, however most children receive Home education from their carers or parents as a matter of course. Home Schooling is an entirely different matter  For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..
http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 Last edited by gilarion on 3rd Sep 2015 4:43pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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3rd Sep 2015 4:41pm |
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| need4speed Member Since: 23 Nov 2012 Location: Kilmarnock Posts: 746 |
With the greatest of respect the only people this thread is likely to offend is the "travelling" community, no? That being the case I couldn't care less. They are quick to offend others..... |
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3rd Sep 2015 4:42pm |
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