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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471   
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I still think there is merit in everyone on here taking up what is an obvious issue with Land Rover either direct or via their representative on here. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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12th Jul 2015 10:40am |
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| Fifth Horseman Member Since: 08 Mar 2011 Location: Lanarkshire Posts: 322 
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I think that was the case, certainly at the start the Topix workshop manual did not mention greasing the splines - then came SSM71952 https://www.defender2.net/gallery/albums/u...sing~0.pdf |
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12th Jul 2015 12:53pm |
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| Mogboy Member Since: 21 May 2013 Location: Brisbane Posts: 31  
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Is it likely that this problem only affects a few Pumas? Or is it just a matter of time? Why I ask is that my 2007 has now done 273,000kms and no indication of a problem (Touch wood!). I guess once a bit of slack develops in the spline, it's gonna happen. Maybe some of the very early ones were greased?? Any knowledge on this?
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13th Jul 2015 12:22am |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127 
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^^^ I have done a few now, from 08 plates to a brand new 15, none have shown any sign of lubrication whatsoever!
Probably the worse one I've seen was a 10 plate with 30,000 miles. The splines in the cup were non existent, how it was still holding I do not know?  80" 80" 86" 88" 90"
Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered. |
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13th Jul 2015 6:07am |
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| Rickydodah Member Since: 14 Jul 2014 Location: East Sussex Posts: 1091 |
It would appear that the early models don't generally suffer as bad as later models. Mine was replaced around the 80k mark and it had plenty of the red dust but the wear was negligible. No evidence of any lubrication on assembly was present. Whether there was a spec change regarding materials or tolerances later on who knows.  I started with nothing and still have most of it left! |
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13th Jul 2015 7:41am |
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| scotia Member Since: 29 Oct 2014 Location: North Cambs Posts: 96 
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The posts on this topic so far would seem to indicate that lubrication has not taken place on assembly since 2007/8 - either intentionally, or as an oversight. Either way this lack of lubrication has been identified as causing sudden complete component failure within a relatively short mileage of the design lifespan of the vehicle. This sudden and total disconnection of the engine from the road wheels could happen in the fast lane of a motorway, the consequences of which could be a multiple pile-up and multiple loss of life! Not to mention the catastrophic adverse publicity for JLR were it to happen!
Should this potential circumstance not be sufficient justification for JLR to rectify what could be a life threatening error on their part? |
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13th Jul 2015 7:45am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17321 
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Mogboy, you may be lucky. I insepcted the splines on my '07 at 150k miles whilst changing yet another clutch, and the splines were in perfect condition. There was no sign of anything resembling lubricant, but there was no discernible wear, and the two parts were a better fit that the brand new parts I had bought on the assumption that mine must be on their last legs. Needless to say it was stripped, cleaned thoroughly, and reassembled with a generous dose of molybdenum grease and new seals. I haven't heard of many 2007 failures, so it may be that the very early ones lasted better, or were better quality or better assembled, than the later ones. What's the betting LR changed to a cheaper supplier? I suspect that the majority of vehicles probably don't suffer this failure, but it is a very widespread problem. If it was a more deadly fault (if it resulted in a wheel coming off, for example) the numbers are such it would defninitely have lead to a recall. Because it doesn't kill people it has been largely ignored by the manufacturer - dealt with under warranty in the first three years, but after that you're on your own. |
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13th Jul 2015 7:48am |
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| tatra805 Member Since: 16 Aug 2011 Location: Dolany Posts: 436  
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Mine's just back from replacing the shaft, splines show wear in the same area as the OP but much much less.
start 2008 /120 000km No lubricant from new. Replaced with a new set nicely greased as should be. Reduced slack in the drivetrain even if spline wear was minimal Now just fingers crossed these new parts are same or better quality than the original ones.  |
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13th Jul 2015 6:43pm |
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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1314
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+1 I would like to see a recall on this as it is clearly a well documented problem and as you say potentially a dangerous one. Even if it let go pulling out of a junction onto a main road it would be a nasty situation to be in. It could be argued that the same would be true if a half shaft snapped or the engine cut out, but in this case there is a known design weakness that could be corrected by a recall.
At the very least I would hope JLR pay for any repair work on lower mileage out of warranty vehicles if they suffer this failure. I wonder what legal precedence there is for filing a claim when there is a known assembly fault? |
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13th Jul 2015 7:37pm |
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| jomara Member Since: 26 Oct 2009 Location: Lanarkshire Posts: 1790 
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Is it maybe time to get Anne Robinson and Watchdog onto it? Rattled BWMs cage a couple of years ago!! 2014 110 2.2TDCi XS Station wagon
1971 Bowler Tomcat 88 4.2 V8 Auto 2022 110 D250 XS Edition - Gone 2024 110 D250 X-Dynamic HSE |
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13th Jul 2015 9:39pm |
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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1314
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Good thought jomara. I just completed a form on the Watchdog site. If a few of us do this it might trigger some action.
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14th Jul 2015 5:26am |
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| Scoobeenut Member Since: 04 Mar 2015 Location: West London Posts: 310 
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The official LR line over on the customer relations thread is "refer to dealer" in each case, in other words JLR are refusing to openly acknowledge a well documented and proven manufacturing defect. Instead of impelementing preventative measures they are leaving it to the individual to check at their own expense or simply wait for catastrophic failures to occur.
In my case I had a catastrophic failure out of warranty, I had a repair carried out by main dealer and JLR made a "good will payment" of 50% towards the costs, this still left me out of pocket to the tune of £350 (£100 recovery costs from the motorway and £250 repairs). |
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14th Jul 2015 9:12am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17321
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If someone had a failure on a level crossing resulting in the derailment of a train, there'd be plenty of attention.
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14th Jul 2015 12:09pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471
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Bad form to quote yourself I know but I still think there could be merit in taking this up en masse direct with JLR. Steve. Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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14th Jul 2015 1:11pm |
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