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Puma Clutch Springs
As I understand the problem with the Puma clutch (which mine is suffering from at only 15k miles Sad ) it's down to the springs in plate that drives the gearbox becoming permanently squashed and no longer springy.

If that is the case, could it be affected by parking the Defender in gear? That would leave a constant load on the springs whilst stationary. Do people leave their Defenders in gear usually? Am I completely mad?
Post #419472 27th Apr 2015 3:34pm
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put it in gear after handbrake put on and slack taken out of drivetrain , so there wont be any load on the clutch unless the handbrake gives up
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I only leave mine in gear when on a slope. On the drive I don't as its flat Thumbs Up 2002 90 Td5 Station Wagon
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Having nearly written off my first car before buying it because of a rubbish handbrake, having had handbrakes seize on at inopportune moments and seen cars with rubbish handbrakes going for adventures down hills I've never trusted them, rarely used them and always left my cars in gear.
My dad's car you can't not leave in gear.
I'm just wondering if that's been the wrong approach and if it could hurt the clutch? Is it *actually* bad leaving it in gear?

As I understood it the springs are there to take up some of the jolting out of the drivetrain if your clutch control is bad, is that correct?

I park my Defender on a slope so it will always be under some pressure. The handbrake is a bit odd, sometimes it will happily hold firmly at 3 clicks, sometimes it needs 4. I haven't quite worked out why that is. The farm one needs loads of clicks.
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I always leave a parked vehicle in gear - wouldn't dream of doing otherwise. I am sure at one time it was a legal requirement, though it no longer seems to be.
Post #419600 27th Apr 2015 8:21pm
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I often leave in gear , but let handbrake hold then put in gear , so handbrake takes the load and only if handbrake failed then in gear will hold it (hopefully) , but dont forget in gear it could creep if on a slope

I dont think its good to turn engine backwards , personally if defender was to roll backwards if handbrake failed i would put in rev gear , if to roll forwards first gear
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^ me too

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Always understood its not good to turn diesel pump backwards

and also main thing i think is timing chain will pull on the slack side where tensioner is

the tensioners are done on oil pressure with small ratchet to keep it in place when there is no oil pressure , the ratchets are quite weak and tend to weaken with age ,
turning backwards would in effect put the load on the opposite side of chain to normal and on to tensioner

could it be a problem ????? , dont know not going to take the chance !
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If it's flat ground especially at home when most of its time is parked then it's handbrake only.
On a hill or slope or where anything could roll then in gear.
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I never bother with the hand brake, always leave in gear, normally 1st.
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Incidentally I think that you'll find that the effect on the clutch of parking in gear is utterly insignificant compared to the effects of driving the vehicle. I don't for a moment suppose that it will make any difference at all to the life of the clutch.
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