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TonoDef

Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
Location: LILLE
Posts: 14

2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Santorini Black

PUMA MY2014 junction box battery relay identification

Hello all,

I've probably missed something obvious so far in the various doc that I have (owner's manual, microcat, electric library, wiring diagrams), but I can't find anywhere a map detailing each relays position ! Can somebody help me please? see attached photo. (Fuse position is indicated though but not relays).

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What I've read on the forum about stolen parts and motors kind of scared me, and although we don't seem to have that kind of issue in my sector (North France) : better be prepared than sorry as you guys say ! So I'm in the processe of "layering" the security on my def. Ardcase has been ordered, Stoplock already in place, epoxy for bonnet and door screws is alsmost done, as well as bonnet cable lock protection plate. Now is the time to fit an hidden cut off switch (starter relay or fuel pump I have not decided yet), hence the request !
If you consider the answers are too sensitive to display on a public forum, well do not hesitate to PM me. (As well with additional ideas or suggestions I did not get from the various topics on the subject).

Thanks a lot

5th Jan 2015 3:42pm

LesDef

Member Since: 06 Aug 2012
Location: Western Australia
Posts: 9

Hi TonoDef,

Please see below a list of relays numbered as per your photo:-

1 = R100 Main
2 = R104 Power
3 = R117 Cooling Fan
4 = R123 Headlamp
5 = R138 Heated Rear Screen
6 = R134 Front Wipers
7 = R103 Fuel Pump
8 = R102 Starter
9 = R176 Blower
10= R181 A/C Comp. Clutch

Hope this helps.

Regards LesDef

6th Jan 2015 9:29am

zone30

Member Since: 07 Sep 2012
Location: Gent
Posts: 669

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 X-Tech LE Nara Bronze

Quote:
4 = R123 Headlamp

So the headlamps are relayed now? No need for a swedish cable loom?

6th Jan 2015 9:34am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17670

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

There has always been a relay in the circuit for Defender headlights - it is energised by "ignition on" and ensures that the headlights only come on with the ignition. It doesn't alter the fact that the full headlight current passes through both the light switch and the high/low beam (dip) switch.

The high-current contacts of the relay are in series with the two manual switches.

6th Jan 2015 9:58am

TonoDef

Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
Location: LILLE
Posts: 14

It does, thanks LesDef, really appreciate it.
Did you got the solution by looking at the wires or Have I missed a document somewhere ?
Thanks again

6th Jan 2015 12:45pm

zone30

Member Since: 07 Sep 2012
Location: Gent
Posts: 669

blackwolf wrote:
There has always been a relay in the circuit for Defender headlights - it is energised by "ignition on" and ensures that the headlights only come on with the ignition. It doesn't alter the fact that the full headlight current passes through both the light switch and the high/low beam (dip) switch.

The high-current contacts of the relay are in series with the two manual switches.

ok, thx

6th Jan 2015 12:47pm

LesDef

Member Since: 06 Aug 2012
Location: Western Australia
Posts: 9

Hi TonoDef,

I have moved the under drivers seat (RHD) electrics to a box inside the cabin under the centre consule.
During the proccess I noted the wire colours to each of the relays and checked them against the wiring diagram.
I have not found any documents to designate these relays.
Simple for an Electrical Draftsman.

Regards LesDef

7th Jan 2015 5:21am

TonoDef

Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
Location: LILLE
Posts: 14

That's what I call a real job ! You go diving with yours ?

Have a good one Les !

7th Jan 2015 5:40am

nitram17

Member Since: 08 Jun 2014
Location: newcastle
Posts: 2261

LesDef wrote:
Hi TonoDef,

I have moved the under drivers seat (RHD) electrics to a box inside the cabin under the centre consule.
During the proccess I noted the wire colours to each of the relays and checked them against the wiring diagram.
I have not found any documents to designate these relays.
Simple for an Electrical Draftsman.

Regards LesDef

i know tihis is an old post but do you have any pictures of your work?

14th Apr 2017 12:52pm

LesDef

Member Since: 06 Aug 2012
Location: Western Australia
Posts: 9

Gidday nitram17,
No photos of my work, at the time I was in a hurry preparing to for a trip across the Simpson Desert.
You can check out the Ex-box at http://www.expeditioncentre.com.au/exbox~4516
Don't know if your at Newcastle pommieland or NSW which will effect viability.
Regards LesDe

30th Apr 2017 1:23pm

Fifth Horseman

Member Since: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 332

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

blackwolf wrote:
There has always been a relay in the circuit for Defender headlights - it is energised by "ignition on" and ensures that the headlights only come on with the ignition. It doesn't alter the fact that the full headlight current passes through both the light switch and the high/low beam (dip) switch.

The high-current contacts of the relay are in series with the two manual switches.

Not completely true since 2012 model year. Whilst the dip switch does carry the full lighting current (and is still the weak link), the headlamp switch now operates the relay in the junction box. The relay that enables the headlights with the ignition on is by the main fuse box (bottom row, right hand side)

30th Apr 2017 9:14pm

Pickles

Member Since: 26 May 2013
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 3790

2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Keswick Green

Fifth Horseman,...does that mean that the headlight switch in post 2012 Defenders is not so "vulnerable"?
Pickles.

30th Apr 2017 10:51pm

Fifth Horseman

Member Since: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 332

Yes, the main switch now only carries the current for the sidelight circuits and activates the additional headlamp relay. There was a tech bulletin to bypass the main switch with a relay on earlier vehicles. https://www.defender2.net/gallery/albums/u...0relay.pdf

Shame L/R didn't use relays to bypass the dip switch, but then that would give us nothing to modify....

1st May 2017 7:07am

Maverick90

Member Since: 07 Jan 2017
Location: South Yorkshire
Posts: 12

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Indus Silver

Is one of the relays shown the glow plug relay and does anyone have a part number for them?

26th Jan 2018 7:17pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17670

Fifth Horseman wrote:
Yes, the main switch now only carries the current for the sidelight circuits and activates the additional headlamp relay. There was a tech bulletin to bypass the main switch with a relay on earlier vehicles. https://www.defender2.net/gallery/albums/u...0relay.pdf

Shame L/R didn't use relays to bypass the dip switch, but then that would give us nothing to modify....

Interesting thanks. I didn't know about that TSB.

A very complex way to do half a decent job!

26th Jan 2018 8:02pm

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