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| baldivistribe Member Since: 08 Dec 2014 Location: The mainland Posts: 18  
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Ive ordered a defender and was told dont leave it too long as production is winding down already. As i wanted the black alloys they had a shortage of them for a bit apparently. I will be disappointed if there is a final edition after i get mine. But when can you trust what a salesman says to you.
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31st Dec 2014 4:41am |
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| AWOL Member Since: 31 Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 222 |
There have been rumours about a final edition special for some time. Indeed, I know a number of dealers have already taken deposits from forum members for these (obviously allocations yet to be determined) so it wouldn't surprise me if they're all pre-sold already. Whether there will be any other specials is a little debatable - there aren't a huge number of bits that LR could bolt on from the parts bin? I don't think they'll find themselves in the same boat as a more mainstream vehicle maker with a wide assortment of entertainment systems / seats / trim / electric gubbins. Perhaps limited to a bit of leather, contrast trim, tints, etc? |
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31st Dec 2014 7:20am |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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Here is an interesting e-mail which LR France apparently sent to their dealers in October. They basically confirm that 2015 production will be largely limited to various limited editions, but more importantly they say that last date of registration of new Defenders will be 30-09-2015....
quote DERNIER RAPPEL sur la fin de production du Defender en 2015. J'insiste lourdement mais il est indispensable que vous recontactiez d'urgence TOUS vos clients DEFENDER. C'est le dernier moment pour eux de commander un Defender. La production 2015 étant en grande partie consacrée uniquement aux séries limitées (cf mes mails précédents) et fin des immatriculations au 30 septembre 2015. IL NE SERA PLUS POSSIBLE ENSUITE DE COMMANDER ET LIVRER DE DEFENDER hors série limitée. IL SERA INUTILE DE DEMANDER DES PLACES DE PRODUCTION EN 2015. Espérant que le message sera passé. Merci par avance. Bien cordialement. Juan-Miguel Orozco Zone Manager Jaguar Land-Rover JAGUAR LAND ROVER FRANCE SAS unquote I guess the Euro 6 norms are implemented EU wide + Switzerland, so that includes the UK. I have looked at various EU commission websites, and everywhere find back that for diesel cars and vans, including light commercial vehicles (except the heaviest category, see bottom if this post) the Euro 6 norm becomes mandatory for registration of new cars as of 01-09-2015.... See below quote Euro 6 will set even lower emission limits. It will be binding for the type approval of vehicles as of 1 September 2014 and for the registration and sale of new types of cars and vans as of 1 September 2015 unquote http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/aut...dex_en.htm If above is correct, how to register a new Defender which is Euro 5 as of September? Maybe the last 4 months of production will all be exported to non-EU countries where Euro 6 norm will come into force at a later date? Like Singapore... http://www.straitstimes.com/news/singapore...8-20141230 Or Australia... https://www.dieselnet.com/standards/au/ Or, maybe that is all wrong, depends on which vehicle category a Defender really is. If as in below wikipedia listing the Defender falls in the light commercial vehicles >1760 kg max 3500 kg. (Category N1-III & N2), it would be possible to register a new one with Euro 5 norm until September 2016. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_emission_standards Not sure what to make of all this, but believe here in Switzerland a Defender still falls in the passenger cars registry, at least mine is registered like that. Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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31st Dec 2014 7:38am |
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| Birdy Member Since: 07 Oct 2011 Location: Côte d'Azur Posts: 868  
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Thanks Eric, JLR France’s memo is pretty unequivocal.
As an aside, other than this unique opportunity to buy the Last Edition of an iconic vehicle, anybody who buys a new car with a diesel engine (let alone a diesel engine that’s already obsolete emissions-wise), is in my opinion very short-sighted. Peter |
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1st Jan 2015 2:55pm |
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| JustStarting Member Since: 02 Sep 2014 Location: Dorset Posts: 146  
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This matches up to what I was told
31st August 2015 will be the last registration date due to the legislation change and that subsequent production will be wound down with vehicles for the export market. Production then moved abroad and the Defender continuing to be produced but only for the non EU market Only thing that makes me question what I was told is that if current orders are already backed up to March then that would mean that they have to launch and announce the Special Models now if people are going to order them and get them delivered in time?? MY2015 110 Urban Truck Expedition Spec 2005 Td5 TwinCab 1998 110 CSW 300tdi |
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1st Jan 2015 4:18pm |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558 
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if we pulled out of Europe would we be able to keep production going ?
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1st Jan 2015 4:42pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816
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^^ We (the EU countries plus Switzerland) would happily slam 100% import duty onto all Land Rovers/Range Rovers/Jags/Morgans coming from that naughty country at the other side of the channel.
Could compromise the future of the stand alone United Kingdom country's car industry, probably even the end of it... 
Maybe Scotland could have another vote then to separate from England and Wales, and adhere to the EU on their own.  You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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1st Jan 2015 5:22pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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Now IF the UK pulled out of the EU and the EU with or without Switzerland and the EU started to put on import duties on UK goods who would lose out?
The UK currently has a trade deficit with the EU of about £6billion/month. See here Somehow I do not think Germany and France wants to lose the UK as a trading partner 
Now the £ is at about a 5 year high against the euro which makes imports cheaper from the EU and exports to the EU more expensive. Now JLR exports about 80% of its production now with £ at a 5 year high against the euro whereas it is at about the 5 year average against the USD, North America will probably be a more sustainable market then the EU. Then there is the emerging China and Brazil markets. Brendan |
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1st Jan 2015 6:03pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816
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^^ Brendan, catching on as expected.
Happy new year to you too. 
New years day is not the day to get into economics, high time for me to start assembling the fresh lasagne for the family now, ...and open the wine.
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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1st Jan 2015 6:19pm |
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| Pickles Member Since: 26 May 2013 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3786 
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People can be "told" lots of things by lots of "people", who have "heard"/"read" all sortsof rumours/stuff. I am in that category from time to time!
However, what the regs are in France, or anywhere else may well be different from Country to Country. The "OFFICIAL" stance from JLR is that production will cease on 20th December 2015. Some models are already unavailable in Aus, but we have NO registration "restrictions" that will occur before the end of production. Surely someone on here has a good contact within the English Dealer Group, I'm in Aus, so can't help there. So, to stop, all the, "this that & the other", it would be good if someone, or a few, spoke to their Land Rover man to get the FACTS. I say production will finish 20th December 2015, & there will be NO problems registering a Defender before then. And I also say that transferring Defender production to anywhere else is simply "hearsay" with no basis in fact at all. Pickles. |
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1st Jan 2015 9:20pm |
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| SS90 Member Since: 16 Nov 2013 Location: Uk Posts: 372
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Basically when they're gone, they're gone! Simples
Not sure I would have been brave enough to put a deposit down and hold out for a limited edition model, especially not knowing what they're likely to be, or how much they will cost. If they're going to be last off the line then it doesn't give anyone much time if they change their mind! |
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1st Jan 2015 10:49pm |
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| steve E Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Tenby Posts: 2073 
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Think it's only any good to have a deposit down if you already have one, so if you don't like what's on offer it doesn't matter
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2nd Jan 2015 12:06am |
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| Birdy Member Since: 07 Oct 2011 Location: Côte d'Azur Posts: 868
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My thinking - when I lodged a £500 deposit with my dealer in October 2013 - was that it was better to reserve one and possibly change my mind if it turned out to be nothing special (there’ll be plenty of others who’ll want it even if it only features the usual stickers and bolt-on parts), rather than to want one and be denied ‘cos I hadn’t lodged a deposit.
But now I really can’t be bovvered whether or not I end up with one Peter |
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2nd Jan 2015 2:11pm |
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| AWOL Member Since: 31 Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 222 |
My logic too... |
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2nd Jan 2015 8:22pm |
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