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| vodonos Member Since: 13 Jan 2013 Location: CERKNICA LAKE Posts: 29   
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I have a Defender 2.4 2010 model 2011. The settings for alarm are all mixed up.
Does anyone have factory settings for this model? I tried to set things up to the same that the 2012 2.2 model has it, and everything seems to be OK except the car won`t crank. Please help I`m desperate  also, there is too much instructions to read and who does that... right?
Thanks in advance BOŠTJAN SLOVENIA Cerknica lake 90 td5 2000 110 2,2 2012 |
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26th Dec 2014 6:34pm |
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| vodonos Member Since: 13 Jan 2013 Location: CERKNICA LAKE Posts: 29
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Thank you Lorryman. I fixt problem. The only wrong setting was Cat.Overheat. Because the 2011 model is without DPF.
Thank again for help. 
Bostjan Yesterday swiming, today we have 15 cm of snow.  Click image to enlarge BOŠTJAN SLOVENIA Cerknica lake 90 td5 2000 110 2,2 2012 |
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28th Dec 2014 7:09am |
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| fatman Member Since: 14 Jan 2014 Location: Athens-Greece Posts: 126  
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Speaking of non cranking and since you've studied the 10as intensivly.. I am trying to swap a spare ecu previous owner gave me-i also posted it previously in other threads and BBS forum also(i have a nanocom EVO). I don't know if spare ecu is blank or not. When spare ecu is connected temp needle goes to red zone,no cranking is possible so there is no communication among ecu's,right? Tried with land rover diagnostic hardware to read original settings form puma's ecu-done. Tried to write data to spare ecu,couldn't establish communication,but no message for VIN mismatch or something similar(don't know what message should we be getting if spare ecu is "kapout" or from another puma-VIN) Indy says it because of the non-standard calibration in the ecu? BBS kind of explained the DDS learn sequence but i understand that this should be done when 10as ecu or I-Pack is replaced,no report for when engine ECU is swaped,is it needed?(That's the main question) Where is this DDS ecu located,is it intergrated to engine ecu,as10 alarm module,or is this just a switch on the HP fuel pump? Is there a way to check if spare ecu is usable before sending it to a UK tuner(i live in Greece),all i want is to have an ecu with standard calibration cause i have some issues with the currently tuned ecu i run and i want to run in standard form for some time. I could have the running-tuned ecu erased and rewriten with standard calibration but this not a reversable procedure.. An no,couldn't get in contact the original tuner(Jeremy Fearn) and also no way of "uploading" changes(if applicable) without special electronic gear accesible to backyard mechanincs-drivers like me,the tuning was made years ago by previous owner) I disabled the 10as immobiliser functions and tried plugging the spare ecu-the same,no communication,should i try this DDS learn sequence or am i risking to get the puma immobilised even with the good working ecu then? Thanks |
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28th Dec 2014 10:01am |
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| Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686 |
Sorry but is not that simple to swap between two EMS ECU's that have not been pre programmed. A new or replacement EMS ECU will need to be programmed in situ with a dealer level diagnostic tool with the latest JLR calibration files. Once the EMS ECU has been programmed with the new calibration files a DDS learn will need to be carried out to allow the 10AS / IPAC and EMS to talk to each other. Without doing a DDS learn the Puma will not start as there is not a valid mobilisation signal being received by the EMS from the 10AS. After carrying out a DDS learn you will need to code each of the key fobs so that the passive immobiliser does not shut down the engine once started. Then you will need to carry out a pilot correction learn as well as a fuel pump learn so the EMS can learn the injector tolerances (16 digit Hex code printed on top of each injector) and fuel pump calibration. SDD also gives you the ability to program a new IPAC module.
JLR SDD Click image to enlarge MSV2 Click image to enlarge Injector Hex codes (MSV2) Click image to enlarge 10AS settings page (MSV2) Click image to enlarge BBS MSV2 DDS instructions. DDS: DDS is selected to configure the alarm immobiliser for DDS. The alarm communicates with DDS control unit which is attached directly to the fuel pump and causes this to stop the engine from running. If either the alarm or DDS ECU have been replaced, the alarm and DDS have to be synchronised with each other to work correctly. This takes approximately 30 minutes and can be instigated by using the DDS LEARN function DDS learn: This forces the alarm to issue a command to the DDS immobiliser unit which makes it accept a mobilization code which is transmitted from the 10AS alarm ECU whenever the ignition is switched on. Sequence to initiate DDS learn: 1. Turn off the ignition. 2. Press the DDS learn button in the Vehicle Explorer. 3. Disconnect the diagnostic equipment from the vehicle. 4. Turn the ignition on. It can take up to 30 minutes, during which the alarm LED mounted in the instrument cluster will flash quite rapidly. When the synchronisation and learn has completed the LED will stop flashing and the horn may beep quickly. It is important to note that the 10AS alarm and DDS unit communicate using the diagnostic line which the diagnostic system uses. This means that before the ignition is turned on which initiates the learn sequence, the Vehicle Server must be fully disconnected from the vehicle. HTH Brian :thumbsup: Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated  |
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28th Dec 2014 4:00pm |
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| fatman Member Since: 14 Jan 2014 Location: Athens-Greece Posts: 126
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Thanks a lot for the answer..
So even if i create a new spare-replacement ecu,it'll be with the latest software update,so after doing all the learning procedure,if i plug the old tuned one,it'll need pilot and pump learn again because it possibly runs on an older software version?? So i have to have the tuned ecu updated by the tuner and then the spare ecu programmed with the same - but standard calibration - software version,in order to not have to run pilot and pump learn each time i swap them? I also guess that when using JLR/SDD only latest versions are available,so whatever route i choose i risk getting the already working ecu unusable or for limited use only.. I think i'll pass.. Thanks again and seasons greetings to everyone! PS A solution was suggested by Porny http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic26726.html but i have to send both ecus so in the meanwhile no defender for me,not feasible! |
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28th Dec 2014 4:50pm |
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| Muhamad Member Since: 18 Aug 2016 Location: Johannesburg Posts: 4 
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HI LORRY I am new to this forum, i have a defender puma 2.2 that the alarm/imobiliser gone dead, i bougth a new one from the dealer, now how can i learn it to the vehicle ecu, and also do sync. The old remotes to the new alarm box. Thanks Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated |
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18th Aug 2016 11:01am |
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| Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686 |
You will need a diagnostic tool to learn the 10AS to the EMS so they sync. The key fobs can then be programmed individually into the 10AS.
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18th Aug 2016 11:38am |
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| Muhamad Member Since: 18 Aug 2016 Location: Johannesburg Posts: 4
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What Tool You Recomend for that Procedure, And how do i sync the remotes to the 10as alarms?
Thanks |
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18th Aug 2016 1:27pm |
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| Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686 |
GAP IID BT diagnostic tool is my now goto tool.
http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic10829.html http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic38873.html |
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18th Aug 2016 2:15pm |
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| Muhamad Member Since: 18 Aug 2016 Location: Johannesburg Posts: 4
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Hi Lorry
The nanocom can`t do it? Thanks |
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18th Aug 2016 2:18pm |
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| Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686 |
The nanocom will allow you to re code the plips, but not carry out a 10AS learn
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18th Aug 2016 4:15pm |
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| bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069 
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Nice to see you back on the forum lorryman100!!
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18th Aug 2016 5:07pm |
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| Muhamad Member Since: 18 Aug 2016 Location: Johannesburg Posts: 4
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Hi Lorry, Thanks for your reply, but i am looking for something cheap and that can do the job, do you have experience on chinese JLR Mongoose V138? Thanks |
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19th Aug 2016 7:15am |
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