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landybehr



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coolant temp gauge - and the truthfulness
Hi,

I know that the coolant temp gauge of many modern cars, TDCi included, no longer tells the actual coolant temp. There is a tolerance zone within which the needle of the gauge stays spot-on where the driver keeps calm. If it exceeds that zone f.e. by overheating then the needle jumps forward into "hot" position.

Now I notice that many people install scangauges or ultragauges or similiar to get live/real data. And/or they (me included) want a coolant gauge that shows the real coolant temp.

Can someone "tame" the ECU/instruments to be "true" ? (Or is this a bad idea?).
Post #349646 5th Aug 2014 12:31pm
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zone30



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Belgium 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 X-Tech LE Nara Bronze
FYI I'm always floating round 85 - 88, in some non standard conditions it creeps over 90. If I remember correctly I once hit 100 when extremely hot outside temp and traffic jam. That was the only time my ULTRAgauge went into alarm, so kept a close eye on it to make sure it did not suddenly shot up, which it didn't.

PS 2.4 TDCi

updated to "ULTRA"gauge (sorry)


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Post #349652 5th Aug 2014 1:11pm
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Phil VM2.5



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Hi,
will you tel me more about "That was the only time my scangauge went into alarm"
I have also a scangauge , not always fitted, but I did not know that a alarm could be used ...

regards,
Philippe current : defender 110 sw 2.2 puma 2012 and 230.000km today and
again my Range Rover VM2.5 engine from 1992 and 528.000km today.

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Josh K



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zone30 wrote:
FYI I'm always floating round 85 - 88, in some non standard conditions it creeps over 90. If I remember correctly I once hit 100 when extremely hot outside temp and traffic jam. That was the only time my scangauge went into alarm, so kept a close eye on it to make sure it did not suddenly shot up, which it didn't.

PS 2.4 TDCi


I'm also using a 2.4 TDCi and mine generally runs at 90-93 although on longer journeys it can creep up a degree or 2 past that. Is there a typical coolant temperature for the Defender? 2007 (57) Defender 90 (Sold)
Looking for another to replace it.

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zone30



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Phil VM2.5 wrote:
Hi,
will you tel me more about "That was the only time my scangauge went into alarm"
I have also a scangauge , not always fitted, but I did not know that a alarm could be used ...

regards,
Philippe


Look into the menus or go to the site and read the manual. It's quite easy. You can put an alarm on just about anything the ULTRAgauge can show. Even a top and bottom threshold if you want.

I have only set it on engine temp, intake air temp, battery power and a few others but only the first 2 ever went of (I turned of the anoying ones like fuel load etc).

PS, buy a splitter and place it in you ODBII, use one to put the gauge on (the other leave unused for when a professional needs a plug). This way you can leave it in all the time.
I've put it between the steeringwheel and dash, in front of the unused spot.

I've since learned that air intake takes a lot of engine heat and can warm up quite hot. Since then the idea is in my heat to heat shield it better or use heat insulation on the intake air duct.

I read a lot of stuff about cooling air with oversized intercoolers and such, but nobody seems to bother with the initial intake temp for some reason...
Post #349666 5th Aug 2014 2:14pm
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bpman



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You can always stick the heater on hot to reduce the coolant temp

I monitor the airbox temp using the ultra gauge when I was in the arctic. When the temp drops below -25c the rocker cover to airbox breather freezes up
Post #349723 5th Aug 2014 7:19pm
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ericvv



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Issue was discussed at length in belows... but without a simple solution
http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic28536....water+temp

I do not really desire any of the scangauge type monitors, actually do not have a clean space on the dash in the SVX due to the factory Garmin support, and only am interesting in real water temp visibility.
Reprogramming the water temp gauge seems not an obvious thing, and installing a VDO water temp gauge seems problematic too as it requires its own sensor to be screwed into the engine, but where? There recently was a specific thread on aulro.com about installing a VDO water temp gauge into a Defender, and from what I read, it seems not really a succesful experience. Starts to feel like a dead end....
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Caterham



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I think I may be a dodgy one!

Ok it was cold this morning so that might be the answer.......everything seemed fine by the way I was just surprised -

Drove nearly 100 miles this morning and temp stuck around 86 - 89c then got stuck in traffic at a crawl and temp dropped to 70 - 73c. Ok I had warm air blower on but even so?

Normal?
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munch90



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hot water for the heater is taken before the thermostat , so in traffic just ticking over it is possible for the temperature to drop below normal running temp and thermostat closes , so yes if you got heater on and the engine not doing any real work temp can drop then as you start to work engine again temp would rise

its surprising how little cooling you need to drop engine ticking over temp

if you started cold engine then have heater on full blast doubt it would reach running temp ever
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Fifth Horseman



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Caterham wrote:
Normal?


Probably, yes. Modern diesels do not generate much excess heat when under low loads. For this reason and to speed warm-up in cold weather a lot of diesel engine vehicles have a supplementary coolant heater. The D3 is the first example that comes to mind.

On my old Disco2, if you got stuck in traffic on a cold day with the heater on you could watch the temp gauge drop to just above the blue zone.
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Caterham



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Wow. Just been for another drive low temps...just never noticed it so low before. Also expected temp to go up at end of low drive not down....with wind chill effect while driving and then non just assumed it would get hotter not colder especially as it was light load at 40mph for along time before stoppping.
Post #369981 6th Nov 2014 6:47pm
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