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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295   
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Hello All… Can I have your help
I removed a door bolt recently, on the bulkhead side of the hinge, and in doing so heard a sound like a rejected coin in a parking meter...  as the ‘retaining nut’ designed to stay in place didn't.
Two problems immediately presented themselves… 1. Unlike, or possibly like a parking meter, no rejected part fell out the bottom of the Defender. 2. I need to fix this.  Click image to enlarge So my fix currently is to remove the hinge block, or swing it out of the way enough to insert an M8 Long Reach SS Rivnut, (shown in photo) then probably adjust the plastic / rubber separating layer between the hinge and the bulkhead to sit around the head of the Rivnut in situ. (The top bolt failed and is currently plugged to stop water getting in). This route currently looks more attractive right now than trying to get to the missing (non) retaining nut or at least the position where it should be and install a new (better) retaining nut within the Bulkhead. Click image to enlarge I assume that getting to the back of this Bolt position involves progressively removing my interior which I could do but are reluctant. Here's the s
Do you agree (Rivnut Route over an alternative) Have I missed something (very possible as this is new territory for me) What actually should be on the other end of this bolt (within the bulkhead) Has this happened to anyone else (if so what did you do) Your help would be appreciated... 
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18th Oct 2014 4:04pm |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558 
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if you undo both bolts and swing hinge round out of the way , im sure the internal nut is in a captive cage and is just slotted in from the outside , you don't need to take anything off inside
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18th Oct 2014 4:21pm |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295
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munch90 and mikeh501
Thanks... got it (the advice not the lost nut). Click image to enlarge Something like this then (not the correct size but type). The Rivnut idea is now out, if your right (and I'm not doubting it) I will find a square hole when I get there, so I will try to find the original, fish it out and refit it, or replace it if lost. My 90 has been Dinitroled, but it's a good point you make mikeh501. Thanks for the quick advice... SKIP https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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18th Oct 2014 4:46pm |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558
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thats the sort of thing
think there is three holes in the bulkhead under the hinge ,two bolt holes think there square and one bigger square hole in the centre where the nuts slide up in when you fit the bolts back in cover the threads in waxoyl or something (or just dip the whole bolt in it ) |
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18th Oct 2014 4:58pm |
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| GUM97 Member Since: 05 Feb 2012 Location: Cheshire Posts: 3555 
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Yep, square hole in the bulkhead if I remember rightly! (It's been about 2 years since I fitted new hinges!) so a captive nut in the square bracket is what's needed
An engine to TDi for!
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18th Oct 2014 5:18pm |
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| mikeh501 Member Since: 07 Jan 2013 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1142
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Mine looked like this. The fixing is more a captive clip than a nut. Got a full set off ebay, just had to find the part number.
The fixing slips over the round holes using the square middle hole as you push it onto the panel. Easy to drop them when fitting as they need a firm shove. Click image to enlarge[/img] |
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18th Oct 2014 5:40pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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Yep, square captive nuts that slide / clip into place. Keep the door shut, undo remaining hinge bolt, clip in new captive nut, swing hinge back into place, apply copperslip to bolt threads before refitting and tightening. Easy peasey.
Always worth keeping a few spare captive nuts if you intend to make habit of mucking about with the hinge to bulkhead bots Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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18th Oct 2014 5:54pm |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295
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Thought I would tackle this, so got the tools out ...
Click image to enlarge Nothing (apparent) at the base of the lower hinge channel... Click image to enlarge The top hinge then revealed 1/2 a retaining nut with the 'sprung' cage fractured... Click image to enlarge Off to Land Rover for a replacement, Thanks for your help with this... SKIP https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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19th Oct 2014 9:34am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20597
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If they won't stay in place perhaps clean it all up and use a spot of superglue.
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19th Oct 2014 9:48am |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
or replament J nuts
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19th Oct 2014 9:59am |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295
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Thanks custom90steve but I was thinking more along the lines of...
SKIP
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19th Oct 2014 10:11am |
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| redzob Member Since: 16 Jul 2014 Location: St. Peter Port Posts: 137  
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I did exactly the same thing when I was replacing the bolts for stainless. Got one of those magnets on the end of an aerial things - possibly the best £8 I've ever spent. As I progressed, I got used to leaving the magnet up against the rivnut (and bolts) and never lost another one. Defender Puma 2.2 XS 90
Vespa GTS 300 Way too many racing bikes. |
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19th Oct 2014 10:11am |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295
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Thanks dorsetsmith I will probably drop in to a Land Rover as I am passing my local dealer tomorrow, and I should get out without the need to sit down in reception have a 'free' coffee and recover from their parts pricing policy on this one. I wasn't expecting the cage / clip to break as it has, some kind of spring steel, which has not been repeatedly disturbed and so work harden and fracture... but there you go. SKIP https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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19th Oct 2014 10:19am |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
New repair part list for land rover
duck tap large roll WD40 large tin blue tack lots or better still ELDRo dum dum
not new one old hotted up on the spot repair |
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19th Oct 2014 10:26am |
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