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| YORKSHIRELAD Member Since: 17 Mar 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 159  
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Hi lads. I have Blueish smoke when starting from cold and it's running like a bag of spanners. Sounds loud from low revs. I have it booked in but they can't look at it until wednesday. Does anyone have any ideas what it might be?.
Cheers, Richard 1963 Series 2A truck cab 2008 110 SW |
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26th Mar 2010 7:28am |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3248  
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Have a read here for the blue smoke on start up - seems common.
http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic2764.html Bob |
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26th Mar 2010 8:33am |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707  
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But the bag of spanners could be this. Check your vin number, if its before Vin# 9A767162 you could get a new engine.
Title: 2.4 Puma Engine Knock Noise. Type: LD - Defender - All Years - Special Service Messages - Engine Name / Part No: SSM38792 Info Type: Service Bulletins Version No: 1 Date Uploaded: 21 Jul 2008 Models: LD - Defender Title: 2.4 Puma Engine Knock Noise. Last Modified: 21-JUL-2008 09:44 Category: Engine Symptom: 497000 Engine Noise Content Issue: Heavy audible knocking heard on start up. Cause: On start up oil pressures can cause the piston cooling jets, (PCJ), to latch into a zero flow condition. Due to hysteresis effect in design the jets do not unlatch until the engine is warm and the oil pressures lower again. During this time with no pressurized oil jet flow to the lower pistons / cylinder bores, overheat and scuff conditions / damage can occur. Action: Replace the engine assy but ensure only engines post serial # ELD00080707063602 are used. This condition will not occur on vehicles post assured Vin# 9A767162. Engines post the info above are fitted with modified PCJ internal springs and this issue is now closed. http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic472.html http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic1070.html?highlight=engine 130's have feeling's as well you know  |
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26th Mar 2010 9:29am |
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| YORKSHIRELAD Member Since: 17 Mar 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 159
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Thanks for your replies lads. The vin is before the one you posted Andrew.I'll keep you posted after it has been to the dealers next week. Ta 1963 Series 2A truck cab
2008 110 SW |
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26th Mar 2010 12:15pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707
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Copy and print my previous post and take it with you
 130's have feeling's as well you know |
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26th Mar 2010 1:02pm |
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| YORKSHIRELAD Member Since: 17 Mar 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 159
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I have not been driving it this weekend, and just went out to start it up and smoke was blowing out of the back and I'm sure it's only running on 3 cylinders?.
 . I need it to get me to work and back until thursday... 1963 Series 2A truck cab
2008 110 SW |
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28th Mar 2010 4:54pm |
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| YORKSHIRELAD Member Since: 17 Mar 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 159
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How do lads. The dealers have recognised the fault and agree that it is running bad and smoking. They don't know the exact cause and said that they think it might be leaking fuel somewhere , and so he said that they have to contact LR, which won't be until tuesday. I don't know...........
Richard 1963 Series 2A truck cab 2008 110 SW |
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2nd Apr 2010 4:02pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707
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Did you print out the info in my post and give it to them ? 130's have feeling's as well you know
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2nd Apr 2010 7:48pm |
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| YORKSHIRELAD Member Since: 17 Mar 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 159
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I did Andrew thanks, they know of this problem but don't think that it's the fault at the moment. To be fair to them it's more of a misfire than a loud knocking, like running on 3 cylinders and huge ammount of smoke coming out of the back. So much that people have been flashing lights and telling me to pull over!. I did point out that it's similar to the bulletin in that when it warms up runs ok and there is no smoke but for now they don't seem to be going down that route. I'll let you know what happens, cheers Richard 1963 Series 2A truck cab 2008 110 SW |
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3rd Apr 2010 5:41am |
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| Grockle Member Since: 24 Nov 2008 Location: Peak District National Park Posts: 2266 
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are you waiting until the glowplug light has gone out before cranking? 2.4 90 XS
1968 1/32 scale Britains 109 Pick up. |
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3rd Apr 2010 8:09am |
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| YORKSHIRELAD Member Since: 17 Mar 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 159
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It does shake yeah, thats why I thought it was only on 3 cylinders, the smoke it kiks out is crazy. And yes I always wait for the glow plug light to go out. Cheers, Richard 1963 Series 2A truck cab 2008 110 SW |
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3rd Apr 2010 11:47am |
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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015  
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Mine did this and it turned out to be the EGR.
Glyn |
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3rd Apr 2010 1:09pm |
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| YORKSHIRELAD Member Since: 17 Mar 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 159
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Well almost two weeks after leaving the Defender with the dealers,I got a call this morning to say it's ready. The problem was thst last time it was in they did a software update, and the final part of this didn't install properly. I'm told it's running cock on now. Strange one that?
Richard 1963 Series 2A truck cab 2008 110 SW |
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13th Apr 2010 8:19am |
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| Grockle Member Since: 24 Nov 2008 Location: Peak District National Park Posts: 2266
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lets hope so Richard,let us know
good luck 2.4 90 XS 1968 1/32 scale Britains 109 Pick up. Last edited by Grockle on 15th Apr 2010 8:30am. Edited 1 time in total |
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