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martinfiattech



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Do you really need two remote fobs ?
Evening all,

Not bothering with the foot ball, got wondering about the defender`s remote key fobs.

The cars previous owner had a Clifford 650 alarm fitted from new and it works ok NO issues with anything electronic, all is well. ( so far ) He used to keep the original fob taped to the bottom of the steering cowl, I suspect if the car goes walkies like this the insurance may be a bit iffy on paying out.
So it`s back on the key ring.

I`am getting a bit fed up with having two key fobs as it looks a bit silly and if you press the wrong one first the alarm goes off,

So I was wondering what bits of the rover plip could be removed and grafted, so to speak into the original key.
Is it just a matter of removing the main transponder chip from the board and graft it into the original standard key.

I have been wondering about this since I saw the post about fitting the metal key section to the remote it`s self.

I suppose there`s a few of us with more than the standard fit anti theift device fitted,
any advice would be nice.

Martin, Excuse the spelling I`am better with spanners and wires.
Post #339304 19th Jun 2014 9:08pm
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munch90



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don't think you can remove the chip off the board , the chip on the board still uses small amount of power from fob battery

99% sure on this

it's not like a normal chip you find clipped inside some keys
Post #339311 19th Jun 2014 9:18pm
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kmac



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There is a key mod

http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic16546.html?highlight=key+fob

Or you can get Dgardel's integrated remote key
Post #339371 20th Jun 2014 7:52am
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martinfiattech



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Yes that's the one thank you, that`s the one that got me thinking.

But it still means I`ve got two remotes which is what I want to get away from.
I have a dislike toward large bunches of keys, I would be happier with one for everything to be honest.

I would like to enclose the chip within the plastic section of the ignition key itself, if you know what I mean
From what munch says the chip may require a power supply of sorts from the plip battery, unlike most transponder chips that are energised / activated via the small current induced via the coil around the ignition barrel.

The rover / lucas seems different, I only have experience of bosch baised systems these can be worked / used with just placing the chip close to the pick up coil, they don`t need to be in the key.

I`am taking the car back to the dealers next week for work warranty to the clutch so hope to speak to a technician and gain a bit of inside knowledge
Failing that the spare fob may get modified. AA on speed dial !! Excuse the spelling I`am better with spanners and wires.
Post #339576 20th Jun 2014 9:07pm
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munch90



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have the extra alarm removed as I think there is a extra bit that can be fitted to standard alarm to improve it and using the one standard fob

or remove extra one and have extra immobiser fitted that just has a transponder hanging on the keys not a buttoned fob
Post #339579 20th Jun 2014 9:13pm
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bpman



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2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black
Mobilecentre sell an upgrade to cat 1 for the standard defender alarm
Post #339614 21st Jun 2014 5:39am
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martinfiattech



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Thanks guys, will look into options you have mentioned.

However on looking at some mg rover web sites it seems I should have a eka / immobiliser code with the car, well I don`t have it, just radio code and mechanical key number. looks like I better sort that one with the supplying dealer tomorrow morning or get it when it goes in.

Thanks again. Excuse the spelling I`am better with spanners and wires.
Post #339882 22nd Jun 2014 6:43pm
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munch90



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if you can get the code direct from the vehicle by having it plugged in , as the dealers don't always have the correct code in the paperwork

and try it when you get it !
Post #339887 22nd Jun 2014 7:01pm
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Kev the Rev



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Keswick Green
Replacing key and fob
This forum is great for these sort of questions
The thread is nearly ten years old but I was thinking the same thing, it's really clunky carrying around a seperate fob if you have the older type defender.
I wasn't brave enough to cut up my existing fob and I didn't know about the company called remotekey.co.uk
Took a look at their website and have just ordered a combined key and fob.
If you're not sure what you need, phone the mobile number and speak to them. I didn't get the name of the owner but he is into Land Rovers and I was on the phone for ages talking about all sorts of Landy stuff
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khamuul



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There are also low-priced DIY-options for folding keys to plugin your circuit board and a duplicate keyblade.


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hornet



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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This case looks good! Which type is it?
Post #1013636 2nd Nov 2023 11:34am
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Dinnu



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Malta 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black
And more importantly, does the old pcb fit into that key? Like to have just 1 key too. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
Post #1013649 2nd Nov 2023 1:47pm
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Martin
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red
That's a D3/RRS1 key case  1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW
Post #1013654 2nd Nov 2023 2:44pm
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hornet



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I have done a lot of research.
Usually the flip-key supplied is an NE75, but LF10 is required. LF10 is available to buy as blanks, but you still have to do some machining to make it fit. My approach is to buy the housing with NE75, integrate the contents of the FOB and adapt my original key so that I can replace it with the NE75. However, the housing will probably have to be glued in place. That's unsightly but actually no problem -- until the next battery change Big Cry
Maybe I can think of something elegant. I'll keep you up to date
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khamuul



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hornet wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This case looks good! Which type is it?


That's a flip-key case for the Defender i got from an austrian online key housing shop back 2016 for 12 Eur. (I can send you a link in PM if you want to - i am not related and won't place ads here Wink )

Yes, the pcb does fit in there.

I reinforced the housing with two screws as you can see in the pictures. Works perfectly for me for years now. Thumbs Up



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