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| Martin90 Member Since: 12 Feb 2010 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 19   
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Has anyone installed a switch to isolate the traction control rather than having to pull the fuse?
Cheers, MArtin Martin 1989 90 - Truck cab, Mazda 35 SLTi engine 2009 90 - Station Wagon |
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13th Mar 2010 3:28am |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2637  
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Just be aware that should you crash your landy and the insurance company finds out about this, they will probably use this as an excuse not to pay out your claim, since the ABS is a safety component of the vehicle.  |
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18th Mar 2010 8:47am |
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| BigGeorge Member Since: 08 Aug 2009 Location: Zurich Posts: 43  
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I only use it when in low range & diff-lock is engaged. Hence speeds are low.
The risks that I forget it is mimimal because the 2 warning lamps are on plus my switch has also a lamp that is on (red) when disengaged... If I crash it when off-roading the insurance company will probably ask first about the location and whether this was legal rather than checking the fuse box. The fact that TC and ABS go over a the same fuse it's just proof of poor design (imho). A decent off-road vehicle (like Mercedes G-class... and you won't disagree that this IS a decent offroad vehicle) disengages ABS automatically when diff-lock and / or low range is engaged. and mind you... when off-roading the ABC might be disengaged, but the brains are not. And what would you tell your insurance company when you crash the going downhill because the ABS did not stop the car? In such situations ABS is more dangerous than anything else. I mean we're still talking about the Defender and not the Range Rover with it's hill decent function. So... if insurance company is not paying than I'd sue Land Rover for the faulty design 
Regards George The goons are trying to bring me down! Defender 110 SW MY10 useless piece of  ... but I like her
Defender 90 V8 50th Anniversary Series IIa 109 / 6 cyl. ex-fire truck |
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18th Mar 2010 10:06am |
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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015  
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George, I think it is a problem more in the UK than most other places in the world.
The reason why the ABS and TC use the same fuse is because the TC uses the ABS, therefore, if the ABS fuse blows you don't want the TC to kick in as it would just shred your half shafts or diffs within a second. A UK insurance company will do ANYTHING to get out of paying up, and it wouldn't matter what possition the switch is in when you have an accident they will still use it as an excuse to get out of payment. Therefore here it would always be best to inform the insurance company then you will always be covered (they might ask for additional lighs/ warnings). Glyn  |
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18th Mar 2010 12:08pm |
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| Martin90 Member Since: 12 Feb 2010 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 19
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George,
Many thanks, I will get this done. Good idea regarding using the fuse holder as terminals for wires, was reluctant to have to start hacking into the loom! I guess this also makes it easily removeable should it be necesary... Cheers, Martin Martin 1989 90 - Truck cab, Mazda 35 SLTi engine 2009 90 - Station Wagon |
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18th Mar 2010 12:19pm |
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| BigGeorge Member Since: 08 Aug 2009 Location: Zurich Posts: 43
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Glyn
I see the point re. UK insurance. They would probably try to do the same here if they knew, but I can hardly imagine hat insurance companies come and check every wrecked car. I also understand the rational for using the same fuse, because TC is based on braking in individual wheels. However if properly designed they would have had 2 separates circuits for TC and ABS. No doubt, TC is a very cool feature and it performs surprisingly well, but in situations like deep snow or sand it is literally burning the brake pads. From that perspective I'd prefer proper manual 100% lockers. Cheers George The goons are trying to bring me down! Defender 110 SW MY10 useless piece of ... but I like her
Defender 90 V8 50th Anniversary Series IIa 109 / 6 cyl. ex-fire truck |
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18th Mar 2010 12:22pm |
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| Trevor Wright Member Since: 11 May 2008 Location: Essex Posts: 87  
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I'm pretty sure there is a special repetitive sequence you can do with the brake pedal which disables the TC for demonstration purposes off-road. I think switching off and on then resets to normal, but I do not know the details. Trevor Wright
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18th Mar 2010 12:54pm |
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| BigGeorge Member Since: 08 Aug 2009 Location: Zurich Posts: 43
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yeah.. I have read about this sequence (think it was ignition on and apply 10x brake pedal and then start engine or so....) tried it a couple of times but it never worked.
similar with the procedure re. circumenventing the immobiliser...try this out and your neighbour will call the mental institution to come and pick you up. George The goons are trying to bring me down! Defender 110 SW MY10 useless piece of ... but I like her
Defender 90 V8 50th Anniversary Series IIa 109 / 6 cyl. ex-fire truck |
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18th Mar 2010 1:09pm |
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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015
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That used to be something to do with the TD5 and wasn't moved across to the TDCi unfortunatly. Glyn The imobiliser thing is soo irritating....used to have a Rover with the same thing which kept on arming itself even though I didn't have the fob, so sometimes ended up spending 5 mins at the pump after fueling turning my key in the lock (some people must have thought of phoning the loony bin) |
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18th Mar 2010 1:15pm |
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| Def-00 Member Since: 11 May 2011 Location: Sharjah Posts: 236 
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i know this is a little late but on my last service i had a talk about this to the manager at the garhoud showroom and he told me that the workshop would do it and that means it doesn't affect warranty and shouldn't affect the insurance as well i suppose 2012 Fuji White 110
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25th Jul 2011 10:42pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2637
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I still dont understand why you wouldn't want TC - if you use it properly it's a great feature! -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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26th Jul 2011 8:22am |
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| Alexke Member Since: 03 Jan 2011 Location: Antwerp Posts: 113 
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In sand it bogs you down... And ABS wil make your stopping distance a litle longer on wet,snowy and offroad terains. Discovery 4 SDV6 Landmark F31 320dA Msport xDrive LR Defender 90SW TD4 Stornoway grey 320d E46 E70 X5 3.0d Sold! FFRR TD6 - Sold |
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26th Jul 2011 11:04am |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2637
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I have never experienced this in sand. If you deflate your tyres, use the correct gear and get the right amount of momentum, TC very rarely intervenes. Yes, on snow & gravel ABS does increase stopping distance, but you shouldn't be driving fast in the first place  --
2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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26th Jul 2011 12:04pm |
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| Alexke Member Since: 03 Jan 2011 Location: Antwerp Posts: 113
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The abs/TC on the Puma isnt great... Its more an ON/OFF switch. In a RR and Disco it uses soft pulses. If you have experience and a big stroke of empty space . try to brake and turn while doing 90km/h . The puma will fishtail! Try doing that @ 130km/h  Discovery 4 SDV6 Landmark
F31 320dA Msport xDrive LR Defender 90SW TD4 Stornoway grey 320d E46 E70 X5 3.0d Sold! FFRR TD6 - Sold |
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26th Jul 2011 1:28pm |
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