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| Cheshire110 Member Since: 26 Jul 2013 Location: Cheshire/London Posts: 2751  
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Take it back, point out absolutely everything and make them write it down.
When you go to pick it up if it isn't 100% leave it with them, don't take it back yet. Persevere and get the factory errors (after all they are hand built) sorted and you'll have a great car after. Then during warranty just keep your eyes open and anything not perfect get sorted. Good luck and enjoy it! Cheers, David Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8. |
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16th Jan 2014 10:50pm |
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| Defender-Stu Member Since: 14 Jun 2012 Location: South West England Posts: 1320
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Mines Sept 12 and been in for the track rods to be replaced, paint work and now going back in for the hinge things flaking but hey just think it gets sorted for free and it's not the bying of the Defenders that expencive it's the up keép and that's why we love them and now there going to be I nice little money earner in a few years so you won't mind in the long run but don't give up and sell as I did that and I had to get back in one
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16th Jan 2014 10:54pm |
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| Rick81 Member Since: 08 Sep 2013 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 101 
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It just seems bonkers to me, how do the other manufacturers manage to get their paint to stay on - maybe land rover should send someone to ask (it's also peeling off my wheel arch eyebrows, all of them!). I hear what you are saying, no I'm not paying to have these things fixed but having paid near on 30K for a new vehicle I would have hoped it may hold together better than it is! List of things to go back for as of today:
Water leaking behind dash/into footwells Door lock surround things (on all four doors) drop off daily Rear passenger door lock doesn't work with Central locking Front passenger door release button only works 50% of the time Paint dropping off all four wheel arch eyebrows Paint dropping off/corrosion to drivers side windscreen bracket Engine rattle when hot on acceleration, bit like heavy pinking on a petrol Gearbox clunk when hot Gearbox crunch when changing 2-3 when cold. To reiterate the thing is less than three months old, gets driven carefully, washed every week and looked after very well. |
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17th Jan 2014 8:27am |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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You are right, the issues are unacceptable and the time and effort required to get them sorted equally so. Buying a new Defender should not be looked upon as an opportunity of buying into some kind of hobby project to rectify matters which should not exist in the first place. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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17th Jan 2014 8:46am |
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| CR Member Since: 28 Jan 2010 Location: Ireland Posts: 947  
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Ah Yes ..............
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17th Jan 2014 8:49am |
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| steve E Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Tenby Posts: 2073 
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Hi Rick
I've had a few defenders now and they all go on the windscreen surround and the hinge covers. I know it's a pain in the backside but you just need to keep using your warranty and you'll find eventually It'll get enough paint to last. My new 110 had the hinges done after six months and the rear cappings. I'm just going to give them a list every time it goes in for a service. Because of the nature of the defender at least when it's time to part with it these things are expected to be there so you still get the full resale value of the car. |
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17th Jan 2014 8:50am |
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| Birdy Member Since: 07 Oct 2011 Location: CĂ´te d'Azur Posts: 864  
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Don’t you just love these posts…
You’ve bought a truck, not a Mercedes. Better comfort, reliability, economy, efficiency etc. can be found in vehicles costing a third of the price of a Defender, and its off-road performance and towing capability comes at a price. But you knew all this when you bought a Defender, in the same way that you know a Fiat is gonna rust, a Suzuki is a great little car but you’ll get tuppence for it when you come to sell it, an Up! is better than a Citigo although it’s the same vehicle, and a Porsche is gonna cost you more to insure than a Fiesta. Why bitch about it? And good luck with “there going to be I nice little money earner in a few years”! Series/Defenders perhaps have lower depreciation than many/most other cars, but that's about it... Peter |
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17th Jan 2014 9:53am |
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| steve E Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Tenby Posts: 2073
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Hi Birdy
Are you having a bad day 
There are problems that shouldn't be there on defenders and it's a fact that the paint work was better on older models. I've still had four of them. This forum is for people to discuss there problems. Most of the time the members can make you feel better by reassuring you that they've had similar problems and it's nothing to worry about. It's not a case of you know the paint falls off before you spend your bucks  |
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17th Jan 2014 10:00am |
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| sweepc Member Since: 19 Jun 2011 Location: uk Posts: 568 
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Birdy If you have spent that much money on a car and it rusts you are bound to be upset and let others know whether you expect it to happen or not. Ive decided that a lot of the dealers are incapable anyways so the warranty is pointless unless you have a very expensive engine/gearbox fault or similar.
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17th Jan 2014 10:14am |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471
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I don't go for the line that as it's a Defender it's going to have faults and you should have known and accepted it before buying one. Fact is they are hand built to a certain degree and and thus quality is variable. You can end up with a good one that has had a thorough PDI straight out of the dealer and have few if any issues or you can possibly end up with something less good that requires a little or sometimes major remedial work under warranty. Steve. Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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17th Jan 2014 5:34pm |
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| Likeomg Member Since: 29 Jun 2012 Location: Lake District / Newcastle Posts: 2638 
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one thing i don't understand is there built by the same people who make range rovers, you'd think the paint application process would be a standard land rover thing no matter the model...
or am i just unaware that range rover paint is also absolutely terrible? |
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17th Jan 2014 5:53pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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I suspect that RR painting is almost fully robotic today in a gazzillion ŁŁŁ worth of paint shop. The Defender paintshop is probably still quite a manual affair, and probably of a very outdated design in which at the end of the life cycle now not much investment is done anymore.
One thing is for sure, I have the impression that these complaints about poor paint job have increased very much in the last 2 years, as opposed to 2007/8/9....... Seems quality control is slipping.  Although, there are still good ones coming off the line as shown by the "Hunter" edition of our friend Kitoper. His 2013 model is painted first class, and does not have any of the issues often described here. Gives me more reason to think Defender painting is very labor intensive, and if you get a monday morning or friday later afternoon assembled truck...... You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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17th Jan 2014 6:01pm |
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| Cheshire110 Member Since: 26 Jul 2013 Location: Cheshire/London Posts: 2751
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they're not really 'built by the same people who build range rovers' though... and the tooling/design/processes used on all newer LR models are brilliant. the defender is still built on the same production line - by hand - as they were 10/20/30 years ago and not a lot has changed.
you can either have a car you can cut apart and modify by hand (fitting windows, seats, etc etc) or you can have tight panel gaps, hidden seams, no mud traps, concealed hinges, cappings etc - not both. if you crawl underneath a modern car you will find that it isn't hugely ahead of a defender (alright it is a bit) it will still start to rust, flake, trap dirt etc (dads Land Cruiser (2004)) has had a fair bit of corrosion work done underneath! (pipes, exhaust, tow bar mounting etc going).. its just on a defender that style of construction continues onto the upper half of the car one thing i will say is they should be able to paint hinges and cappings! but then again they always seem to honour the corrosion guarantee and that more often than not sorts it Cheers, David Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8. |
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17th Jan 2014 6:02pm |
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| Gleaney Member Since: 03 Dec 2012 Location: Earth! Posts: 94 
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Hi Rick I have a 60 plate defender and to have had lots of issues regarding corrosion. Even in the first 3 weeks. The most ongoing problem I had was water leaking in the foot well. The only way to sort this out is to have the wind screen sealed between the rubber and the frame and between the rubber and the glass. I can guarantee this will cure it. I do hear what you are saying about the corrosion but you do have 6 years on the warranty. I know it's not the answer. But I have just had to accept that's how they are. I do still love the vehicle and wouldn't be without one. Hope this helps.
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18th Jan 2014 7:43pm |
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