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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610   
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I would use these with the appropriate Raychem pliers also available from RS. Low profile and hermetically sealed with the heatshrink sleeve that has resin at each end which melts when shrunk sealing the splice.
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/crimp-butt-s...s/4445687/ I am also a great advocator of Wago, they do make excellent quality cable termination solutions, however the one depicted is not so environmentally protected. I have used lots of Wago on my Defender but encased it within a high IP rated enclosure.  Click image to enlarge If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!! Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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8th Jan 2014 9:58pm |
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| Eduardo Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Región Metropolitana Posts: 2110  
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Good alternative
Not available in Chile, but I can bring it from USA. Thanks for the idea. Cheers! Eduardo MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64' MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo" Click image to enlarge |
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9th Jan 2014 1:49am |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731  
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Thanks again for all the advice - so many ways to kill a cat...
My final solution was soldering with a storm lighter/mini-torch my colleague has lent me (never thought I'd be glad he smokes). As variously suggested, wires were spliced, tied around with copper strands and had a shed load of solder melted into them with a blue flame. Filed it all tidy afterwards. It actually isn't as crap as I was expecting: [URL=] Click image to enlarge[/URL] Tatra - good points all (pity I only read them after I did the job) - however, I will make sure the joint is fixed to something to prevent breakage. Mal - nice solution. You always find the obscure stuff. I was also going to encase any mechanical connection - with butyl tape (also IP-67, I suspect). Now I just have to wait for the glue-shrink to arrive off the bay :thumbsup: Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated  Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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9th Jan 2014 2:54pm |
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| deep down Member Since: 02 May 2012 Location: France Posts: 204  
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When you use the glue heat shrink, as it's starting to shrink and the glue is melting, slightly separate the two wires and using a pair of needle nose pliers crimp the heat-shrink between the two wires.
Leave the pliers there for about 30 seconds until the glue has set. This will give you a better waterproof joint. Again don't forget to rough up the insulation a bit with some emery cloth. |
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9th Jan 2014 5:21pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731
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 Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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9th Jan 2014 6:51pm |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610
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 It's not so much 'obscure stuff' but on the 85 metre high-speed catamarans I work on with regards to environment from an electrical perspective it's probably the harshest it gets. The fact the vessels are aluminium they sweat due to rapid temperature changes, add seawater, oil etc into the mix and you can perhaps see what I mean. Through trial and error we use what is best as it saves the inevitable revisit to the same job over and over again. If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!
Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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9th Jan 2014 8:44pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Appreciate the job is done now but for others there is also these as an option:
http://www.posi-lock.com/index.html
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9th Jan 2014 9:22pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731
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 How exactly do you use that? Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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11th Jan 2014 9:09pm |
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| martinfiattech Member Since: 13 Nov 2013 Location: leicester Posts: 422 
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Easy hot end of glow plug is red hot 650`c if that wont melt soilder its blow torch time. Just don't leave the glow plug on to long in one go, they do get a bit warm
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11th Jan 2014 9:20pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731
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Time to get tinkering then
Just a standard deffy plug (TD5, Puma?) with a 12v battery or will any plug do? Tell someone you love them today because life is short. But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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11th Jan 2014 10:42pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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Learning something here again. Interesting comments about Wago connectors which I did not know. Would you use these in below link on a Defender for electric connections provided that there is space available? 3-way and 2-way.
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00D8XYPPC...N4GVFW0T0K http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00C26L2R0...N4GVFW0T0K If not, which other type Wago then? Tks, Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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12th Jan 2014 6:55am |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731
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These were my originally favoured mechanical alternative (i.e. first one that came up on eBay
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A few things that I would take care of though: 1) are they original Wago and not cheap fakes? It seems impossible to get the real deal (e.g. Superseal) these days 
2) How much surface area of the wire is in contact with the connector? Would voltage/current etc. be a problem? 3) How easy is it to waterproof them/would they deteriorate over time e.g. due to bimetallic corrosion? 4) To deal with 3) how large/expensive would an (or multiple) IP6something enclosure(s) be? 5) How mechanically stable are they? Tell someone you love them today because life is short. But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... Last edited by ZeDefender on 12th Jan 2014 7:56am. Edited 1 time in total |
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12th Jan 2014 7:47am |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5707 
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I wouldn't use them in an exposed environment as a permanent solution.
Have seen this sort of connector used and fail in domestic use (house wiring) so it's no from me. Andy |
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12th Jan 2014 7:55am |
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| VeeTee Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1512 
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To add to that: Wago has different types of these connectors, for massiv or stranded cable. Because for automotive applications you always use stranded wires, make sure you use the right type. There is a lot of info on the Wago website. I think they are very capable and usefull, if they are well installed, i.e. with good fixing of cables and connectors on a firm surface or in a proper enclosure. Cheers, Vincent 1959 Polynorm 1/4 Ton Trailer, Olive Drab Green (sold) 1970 M416 Military Trailer (Camping Trailer Conversion), Epsom Green (sold) 1975 Series III 88 V6, Light Green (sadly sold) 1996 Defender 110 CSW 300 Tdi, Epsom Green (sold) 2000 Freelander 1 TD4 3-drs, Silver (sold) 2006 Freelander 1 TD4 5-drs Facelift Automatic, Tonga Green (sold) MySite |
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12th Jan 2014 8:16am |
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