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| Romadog Member Since: 07 Jul 2011 Location: Powys Posts: 1748  |
Towbar bolts...
The jolting is mostly down to the driver that is being towed. They should aim to keep the rope taught by using their brakes. The only way to stop it would be to use a rigid bar, but that brings in other issues. Get a deal with a national breakdown company. |
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15th Dec 2013 10:38pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471  
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The noise is just the traction control doing it's thing. Smoothness is key when towing and as been said it sounds like the driver being towed did not use their brakes to keep the tow rope taut. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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15th Dec 2013 10:51pm |
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| Ian Mac Member Since: 16 Oct 2013 Location: Essex Posts: 53 
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Yeah was a very rough 70 miles! Sounded like the rear end was going to come off and gear box fall out at times. Kangaroo style of driving
How would this of been on gear box clutch and drive train?? Ian 2008 TDCI 110 XS 1985 90 300tdi. Gone 2005 RR vogue TD6. Gone |
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15th Dec 2013 10:58pm |
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| walfy Member Since: 29 Aug 2007 Location: Frome Posts: 2653 
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This where a kinetic rope is useful. As long as you understand the forces involved. I'd rather be towed with a kinetic over a normal strop. But 70 mile is pushing it a bit. 110 D250 SE HT
110 USW SOLD RRE HSE Dynamic Gone, wife killed it VOLVO XC60 R Dynamic with some toys Polaris RZR 900XP SOLD |
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15th Dec 2013 11:08pm |
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| couplands Member Since: 31 Aug 2011 Location: Peak District & Cornwall Posts: 1826 
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If you were triggering the traction control, there must have been a hell of a strain on the towing/towed vehicles. Was it particularly slippy...?
I can't imagine you've done much damage to the drive train (unless the clutch was slipped or dumped), but I'd check the towing points on both vehicles, they sound like they have taken a large shock load. Cheers Simon |
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15th Dec 2013 11:14pm |
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| DRW58 Member Since: 23 Feb 2013 Location: Perthshire Posts: 167  
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Talking of tow ropes/ strops
I'd like to buy one but not sure what to get or where, I'd really only need one to pull others back onto firmer ground / road when they get stuck. Have heard horror stories about kinetic ropes, and am certainly not going to go out looking for trouble, just think it would be a useful addition to my jump leads, spare jack, torch, spade, etc. Thanks in anticipation DRW I built a garage for my Mini With a place for everything and everthing in its place. Ten years down the line there's a Mini in there somewhere, and  all's where it should be!!!! Ho hum |
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15th Dec 2013 11:19pm |
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| Ian Mac Member Since: 16 Oct 2013 Location: Essex Posts: 53
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We used a 10ton pro comp recovery strop doubled up so no give in it what so ever. Clutch was not dumped but as changing up the vehicle behind got closer making the strop get slack Untill drive was taken up again. It was hell of a day but it had to be got home
Ian 2008 TDCI 110 XS 1985 90 300tdi. Gone 2005 RR vogue TD6. Gone |
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15th Dec 2013 11:24pm |
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| Ian Mac Member Since: 16 Oct 2013 Location: Essex Posts: 53
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And yes hell of a strain. As the towing vehicle changed up the strop got slack and when drive taken up it jolted the vehicle a few times Untill it once again become steady tow. This causing the towing vehicle to get pulled back and traction control kicking in. Not a experience I would like again
Ian 2008 TDCI 110 XS 1985 90 300tdi. Gone 2005 RR vogue TD6. Gone |
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15th Dec 2013 11:27pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8579
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70 miles? Best on a trailer or a flat bed.!
In a nut shell the stiffer the towing equipment then when slack occurs the higher the peak force. This comes out of the laws of physics. Basically Force = Mass x Acceleration M = fa In our case it is deacceleration rather then acceleration which is just mathematically a minus or plus sign. Deceleration is controlled by the stiffness of the towing medium. The higher the stiffness the higher the peak force. So assuming same length of the towing medium, the same amount of slack then in order of stiffness or peak force 1) metal chain highest 2) polyester tow strap/lifting strap medium 3) nylon kinetiic strap or rope lowest peak force as it has the highest elongation. It depends on the skill of the driver being towed. If they keep the towing medium taut then little peak loads. If they allow slack to build up then steel chains will give you massive peak loads, polyester straps medium, nylon straps lower peak loads. Moral of the story? Do not allow slack to build up! Brendan |
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15th Dec 2013 11:59pm |
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| Cuthbert Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: Up North Posts: 1535 |
I read this thread and kept thinking "Ouch"! .......... "Ouch"! .......... "Ouch"! .......... "Ouch"! .......... for 70 painful miles.
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16th Dec 2013 12:32am |
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| Ian Mac Member Since: 16 Oct 2013 Location: Essex Posts: 53
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Unfortunately a trailer or flatbed was unavailable.
And yes ouch for me towing on every gear change, I think I have whiplash now ha ha ha
So Should I worry about my car or would this trip have been fine on it and just a learning pointer?? Ian 2008 TDCI 110 XS 1985 90 300tdi. Gone 2005 RR vogue TD6. Gone |
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16th Dec 2013 9:32am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17240 
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It is for precisely this reason that i will never tow someone who doesn't know how to be towed!
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16th Dec 2013 10:00am |
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| Lou Sparts Member Since: 15 Apr 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 1501 
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Its easier if the tow vehicle is an auto
 2005 Td5 90 XS
Steve |
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16th Dec 2013 10:12am |
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| Ian Mac Member Since: 16 Oct 2013 Location: Essex Posts: 53
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Now what would would of soaked up them stresses then?? Would they of been absorbed by the car or transferred to the clutch or straight to the engine and crank???
Ian 2008 TDCI 110 XS 1985 90 300tdi. Gone 2005 RR vogue TD6. Gone |
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17th Dec 2013 12:03am |
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