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DRW58



Member Since: 23 Feb 2013
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Scotland 2001 Defender 90 Td5 SW Epsom Green
Clutch Fluid in Footwell
Some advice needed please can someone tell me when the clutch master cylinder is changed is there a gasket between the mating surfaces.
I still seem to have a leak, I had a look today and managed to tighten up the nuts holding it on but suspect it will continue to leak.
DRW I built a garage for my Mini
With a place for everything and everthing in its place.
Ten years down the line there's a Mini in there somewhere, and Censored all's where it should be!!!! Ho hum
Post #275358 20th Oct 2013 7:20pm
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shaggydog



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United Kingdom 1991 Defender 110 200 Tdi USW Arles Blue
Which mating surfaces?

Between the Cylinder and the housing, Not to my memory.

Between the Housing and the Footwell, Yes, it’s sort of H Shaped from memory.

Did you clean everything before reassembly?

If it’s a new unit and its still leaking I'd suspect it’s a duff unit.

I changed mine a few weeks back and its dry as a bone so can’t reason why it's still leaking. If it’s new - it shouldn’t leak.
Post #275397 20th Oct 2013 8:13pm
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dondiddy



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Scotland 1998 Defender 90 300 Tdi ST Nato Green
There should be a gasket (or metal shim) between the clutch master cylinder and the bracket but even if this is missing it would not cause the leak of fluid that you describe. This can only happen if your master cylinder itself is fubared! If it has only recently been replaced then poor quality pattern parts can sometimes leak within a very short space of time after being fitted. If cylinder is original then it is showing that it is well past its best by date! Hope this helps! Donald
Post #275399 20th Oct 2013 8:16pm
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dorstsmith2



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United Kingdom 2003 Defender 90 Td5 HT Caledonian Blue
poor quality pattern parts can sometimes leak you mean Brit part in the blue box Mr. Green Whistle
Post #275421 20th Oct 2013 9:05pm
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Natlas



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
I put one of those in my 300TDi, even paid for the higher quality version at £20 instead of £10. It lasted about two months before leaking as bad as the old one. I had to buy my own replacement but sent back the duff one and after about 6 months got a refund on the price of the cylinder and the £48 I paid the local garage to fit it.
Not sure what you can do other than just keep sending them back! 2.2 90 XS
88" Series One
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Post #275955 22nd Oct 2013 10:10pm
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DRW58



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Scotland 2001 Defender 90 Td5 SW Epsom Green
Has anyone got a diagram showing the component parts of the clutch master cylinder and the area it bolts onto under the box plates?
My Haynes Manual doesn't show what I need to see.
DRW I built a garage for my Mini
With a place for everything and everthing in its place.
Ten years down the line there's a Mini in there somewhere, and Censored all's where it should be!!!! Ho hum
Post #276177 23rd Oct 2013 8:35pm
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jst



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 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
you sure its not the fluid just coming through from the last change? Cheers

James
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Post #276188 23rd Oct 2013 8:58pm
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shaggydog



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United Kingdom 1991 Defender 110 200 Tdi USW Arles Blue
The Haynes book of "suggestions" is really all it is....

Found this, http://www.landroverworkshop.com/diagrams/...es_53771#1 may be helpful however when it leaks, the bit that leaks is past any of the gaskets so I don’t think it’s much use looking for a gasket.

As has been suggested, if it’s leaking I'd suspect it faulty and then remove and get a replacement.

In my experience, this is one of those parts that is best left genuine or OME as cheaper or pattern ones just wear out so fast.
Post #276217 23rd Oct 2013 10:13pm
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DRW58



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Scotland 2001 Defender 90 Td5 SW Epsom Green
I'm beginning to think it must be the gasket. I don't know for sure if it was replaced.
There was a leak before the replacement, there's still a leak now, Big Cry
Its been three weeks since it was changed, so if there was excess fluid from the change over then it should have dried up by now?

DRW I built a garage for my Mini
With a place for everything and everthing in its place.
Ten years down the line there's a Mini in there somewhere, and Censored all's where it should be!!!! Ho hum
Post #276415 24th Oct 2013 6:44pm
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shaggydog



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United Kingdom 1991 Defender 110 200 Tdi USW Arles Blue
Yes but the gasket is not in contact with clutch fluid so it has no reason to leak clutch fluid past.

The fluid leaks from where the piston rod goes through the rubber on the end of the cylinder.

When it leaks- it means the cylinder is leaking into the rubber and the rod is allowing the fluid to leak into the footwell.
Post #276437 24th Oct 2013 7:17pm
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DRW58



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Scotland 2001 Defender 90 Td5 SW Epsom Green
FFS Is there no end to this misery.
Its the story of my life the fluid leaks past the rubber on your shaft and ends up all over your feet on the floor. Embarassed

I get my coat
DRW I built a garage for my Mini
With a place for everything and everthing in its place.
Ten years down the line there's a Mini in there somewhere, and Censored all's where it should be!!!! Ho hum
Post #276438 24th Oct 2013 7:23pm
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dondiddy



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Scotland 1998 Defender 90 300 Tdi ST Nato Green
A quick way to end your misery is to get under the bonnet and remove the 6 screws holding the top plate onto the clutch bracket and have a look inside. You should be able to see the clutch rod and the rubber boot at the end of the cylinder. From there you should be able to see where the fluid is leaking from. Fluid leaking from the boot and onto the rod means the cylinder itself is knackered! Crying or Very sad
Post #276443 24th Oct 2013 7:37pm
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shaggydog



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HA Comment of the year!

And Dondiddy has got to the mark before me!

:Edited due to laughter causing unable to read what you just wrote syndrome:
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bpman



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happened to me last year, cylinder replaced on the 90 but also cost a pair of expensive boots for MrsBP .. word of warning, don't get clutch fluid on SWIMBO's shoes/boots
Post #276518 25th Oct 2013 6:49am
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