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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324  
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I'd always assumed the lack of DRL's was to do with them now being classified as commercial vehicles. A bit like the lack of high level brake lights in hard tops ? Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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18th Sep 2013 1:01pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707 
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The Defender is not a 'New Vehicle"
They are referring to newly designed vehicles |
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18th Sep 2013 1:02pm |
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| SteveG Member Since: 29 Nov 2011 Location: Norfolk Posts: 660 
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Hi Andrew
For ESC, as stated before it has two dates, one for new type approval and one for all new cars registered. As of 1st November 2014, all new vehicles registered in the respective vehicle categories will have to have ESC fitted. These include M1G and N1G which LR's range are in. This includes the Defender. So all new EU registered Defenders after this date will have to have ESC fitted. It's not exactly clear which categories are covered by the AEBS and LDW regulations and I can't be arsed to look, so not sure if these will apply or not. But again they have two dates. Earlier one for new type approval and later one for new registered. I hope this is clear Cheers Steve |
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18th Sep 2013 1:46pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149 
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You have to wonder why they need to include all this tech in new cars, can nobody drive properly anymore?
Actually I think I just answered my own question didn't I...  2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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18th Sep 2013 8:51pm |
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| DiscoStu Member Since: 30 Jun 2007 Location: London/The far north Posts: 255 
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I agree - I was disappointed to discover I had indicators. What's wrong with hand signals?
 My Disco 'best bits'
Defender 110 XS CSW 2013 |
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18th Sep 2013 9:30pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4663 
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Funnily enough I find indicators useful sometimes as my left arm is not quite long enough to reach out through the passenger side door window. That was the reason I went for electric windows in the Puma but I've no choice but to use the indicators instead. 
Then there's the Mrs. Everytime I stuck my left arm out to try to indicate she thought I was hiding her face from on coming traffic. You can guess how indignant she was, so I'm glad I ordered the indicators as an extra. Imagine my shock when I was told that they came as a standard fitment. There's nothing basic about these Defenders no matter what people say. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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18th Sep 2013 9:59pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707
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Same here when I found that the Puma had a heater that worked, I still refuse to use it though, preferring to drive wearing a big coat and gloves. And occasionally spraying the inside of the windscreen with water to simulate condensation. Oh and don't get me started on the lack of wind noise in the Puma |
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19th Sep 2013 6:06am |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149
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On my short drive to work on a cold morning I get next to no warmth from the heater, and the windscreen fogs up sometimes too.
Its almost like driving a real Landrover sometimes...
On a more serious note, I can see the point of indicators and a decent heater, but all these acronyms they are adding now - well we have been driving cars for decades without them, is this just another EU rule for the sake of having a rule? They are all yet another thing to go wrong. Also, as a commercial vehicle driver, why does my life matter less than a car driver? Took a brand new Merc Axor out the other day, no airbags, no nothing...seems a bit odd that cars have to all x y and z fitted to be legal but lorries can have...well, some tyres and a steering wheel. And a cab if we are lucky. Driving standards are getting worse it would seem but they are still passing people who cannot drive properly...it seems all this kit is designed to make the driving experience less and less engaged with what is actually going on. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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19th Sep 2013 6:51am |
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| timbar Member Since: 30 Jul 2013 Location: Milton Keynes Posts: 245 
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Modern driving == TV. It's only a hop and a skip from lane awareness to fly by wire automated driving on rails (ok, I trivialise it a bit) but that's where I assume we're headed.
Imagine the hike in insurance when everyone else is automated. "What - you drive it _yourself_?" 2009 110 XS Station Wagon |
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19th Sep 2013 7:47am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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way of the future... |
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19th Sep 2013 7:43pm |
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| timbar Member Since: 30 Jul 2013 Location: Milton Keynes Posts: 245
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Where's that sad face smiley gone. Oh yes, there it is:
 2009 110 XS Station Wagon |
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19th Sep 2013 10:09pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Look for the upside - the guy in the pic could be on defender2.net postng about what he didn't do in his defender today
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20th Sep 2013 10:13am |
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| mrandmrsh Member Since: 31 May 2010 Location: Huddersfield Posts: 692 
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Like this?
2015 110 USW XS in Santorini with premium contrast leather seats in tan/black, black headlining and with Dual Finish alloys (in the garage, now on Wolf rims with Goodyear MT/Rs)
2012 '62' 2.2 X-Tech 110 USW now gone ... 1984 90 soft top with full roll cage, 200 tdi engine etc now sold 2012 USW XS 2.2 "FUU" now gone.... |
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14th Oct 2013 5:37pm |
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| Birdy Member Since: 07 Oct 2011 Location: CĂ´te d'Azur Posts: 865  
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“is this just another EU rule for the sake of having a rule?”
No, it’s another EU rule voted for by UK MEPs under instruction from/in consultation with the UK Government. Easier to blame “Brussels” though, in the same way that a tax office in Glasgow is responsible for increasing income tax and those overpaid, unelected Welshocrats in Swansea are to blame for some of us having to pay four hundred quid VED. Peter |
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18th Oct 2013 6:14pm |
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