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| Gasket Member Since: 30 May 2020 Location: Manchester Posts: 629  |
Beautiful 110 Steve and some great photos.
Re: the rims before and after, how do the wheel studs compare in terms of length/stick-through? I'm guessing a couple of threads short of filling the nuts with the wolf rims, but would be curious to see if the ANR classics fare are any better in that regard (i.e. do they have a thinner disc?). |
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22nd Jul 2021 7:27pm |
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| JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7906  
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I 'needed' to fit extended studs with my ANR's the same as for Wolf rims. I say needed, my garage man wasnt happy and neither was I. I was always taught you need a minimum 2 full threads through the nut, so for peace of mind just fitted extended studs. James
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22nd Jul 2021 9:21pm |
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| Pacha Member Since: 23 Feb 2020 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 772 
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Should never run with wheel nuts that have threads short when torqued up!  Rgds.
Chris |
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22nd Jul 2021 9:22pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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Land Rover sold them like that from the factory (both civilian and MoD vehicles) so the risk was clearly acceptable to them. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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22nd Jul 2021 9:27pm |
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| Pacha Member Since: 23 Feb 2020 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 772
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I am not surprised in the slightest - it's still not a good practice!.
Rgds.
Chris |
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22nd Jul 2021 9:31pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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I have them on mine from the factory; but then you think of the same engineers' response to poorly welded axles, and probably a few other issues... |
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22nd Jul 2021 9:41pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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But this isn't a response to a problem
 It also ignores the fact that this arrangement came with the development of the Wolf vehicles and pre-dates the more obvious penny pinching of the Puma era by around ten years, so it's difficult to draw a line between it and later questionable engineering decisions.
Unless somebody knows differently, I've never heard of an issue arising from the factory arrangement of studs and Wolf wheels and they must have sold thousands of vehicles with that configuration. Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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23rd Jul 2021 5:58am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Yes, I agree not a response to a problem, but perhaps a further example of the mindset that leads them to conclude "the risk was clearly acceptable to them."
There's always going to be debate over value engineering versus plain cost cutting. |
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23rd Jul 2021 7:14am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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I think that's a tenuous link at best, I'm afraid. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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23rd Jul 2021 8:10am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Yes, as I said "there's always going to be debate over value engineering versus plain cost cutting."
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23rd Jul 2021 8:41am |
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| Co1 Member Since: 19 Aug 2018 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 3677 
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For what it’s worth, the premise of two threads showing though is based on a standard nut diameter to threaded length ratio. The wolf wheel nuts have a longer threaded area and even with the stud fitting slightly below the height of the nut there is more than enough thread engaged to get the necessary torque without stripping anything.
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23rd Jul 2021 2:37pm |
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| Pacha Member Since: 23 Feb 2020 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 772
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^^^^^^^
Thanks for the clarification Col - makes a bit more sense now. Rgds. Chris |
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23rd Jul 2021 2:46pm |
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| Co1 Member Since: 19 Aug 2018 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 3677
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Don’t quote me on it, but general rule of thumb is that the length of the threads should be at least equal to the diameter.
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23rd Jul 2021 5:39pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150 
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Looking at your photos Steve I need to find a way to get my set of 569203 rims onto my 110. Any ideas? 🤔 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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27th Aug 2021 4:47pm |
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