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excossack Member Since: 22 Feb 2012 Location: North West Posts: 5842 |
A friend has a Fiat based motorhome which weighs in at 5t with all the gear included.
They are off around Europe soon and are looking at a suitable tow rope/recovery gear What spec should they be looking at for the vehicle? This is one type that has been mentioned. http://www.slingsandstraps.co.uk/index.php...duct_id=92 I am not sure on what recovery points the vehicle has other than the screw in type towing eyes. So what sort of rope/strop would be a good choice? or a combo of a rope and nylon strop? 1999 Defender TD5 110 Regards John M0VAZ Econet Station 48 no clock |
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2nd Apr 2013 10:05am |
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blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17314 |
That is the max gross trailed weight and really has no bearing on the gross weight a Defender can move. Ask anyone who's towed a stuck artic. My personal record was set the day I moved a dead class 47 diesel loco weighing at least 114 tons about 30 yards along a siding, uphill, with my Disco2. There was admittedly a pungent smell of clutch, but it did the job with no ill effects. |
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2nd Apr 2013 1:58pm |
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excossack Member Since: 22 Feb 2012 Location: North West Posts: 5842 |
Thanks chaps.
I think if the motorhome is down to its axles in mud, it will need more than just a tow rope, it will more likely be a chain around the axles and winch job! So, I guess an 8t tow rope with a shackle/hook on each end would suffice for being towed on normal ground i.e tarmac/gravel but not for a full on dragging its ass out of mud/sand. 1999 Defender TD5 110 Regards John M0VAZ Econet Station 48 no clock |
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4th Apr 2013 7:08am |
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Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015 |
Blackwolf, I agree the Defender can tow much more (for a very short distance)..... but lets put it this way. 'You are driving down the road and a guy in a camper van weighing 5 tons flags you down and asks for a tow to the nearest garage..... Unless you know there is one just around the corner would you tow it? (and would you do it on a strop/ rope)?
Then there is insurance- if something happens- guess what, your insurance company will say 'good luck'. If the police pull you over you are breaking the law. Excossack, Here are some very rough figures that can help you work out what sorts of forces you could be facing in different situations:
I would say a minimum of 10ton SWL would be safe to work with for getting bogged in (and can double up for emergencies on road)..... Make sure it is SWL and not anything else. Again your problem is with what you are going to use to recover it with- a 2ton Land Rover wouldn't have a chance of recovering 5ton up to it's axles in mud (unless it has some extra gear). Probably minimum of a 4.5t truck. Glyn |
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4th Apr 2013 3:13pm |
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blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17314 |
Towing one vehicle with another is an extremely complex and poorly-established area of the law. Since it is only legal when using a rope to recover to the nearest place of safety (ie layby, parking area, etc) and not home or to a garage (unless of course they happen to be the nearest p.o.s.) it is probably no more illegal to tow a 5-ton or even a 30-ton vehicle than a 1-ton. You are technically committing a range of offences anyway, and only get away with it due to the general application of common sense. Undoubtedly in this revoltingly litiginous age you are exposing yourself to unlimited liability if it all goes Pete Tong or you have a run-in with the cash-for-crash scammers en-route.
Would I do it in the circumstances you postulate? No way. However if camper-dude asked me to tow him off the wet grassy pitch on which he's lost traction, I'd gladly do it. Although I have no idea what the heaviest object towed by a Land-Rover is, a contender must surely be the occasion early in 1983 when a Scammell Contractor towing a large boiler from Hartlepool to Billingham stalled on Billingham bank due to a quirk of its semi-automatic transmission. Rather than reverse the outfit down the hill to take a run at it, a SIII was hitched to the front and was able to take the strain of the 200+ ton outfit just long enough for the Contractor to spin up and resume the ascent. Technically though very briefly the Land-Rover was towing the whole outfit unassisted in an incident now famous in heavy-haulage circles. With knowledge and common sense, it is remarkable what can be done safely with a Landrover. |
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4th Apr 2013 5:35pm |
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leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8580 |
What size snatch strap to use for a motorhome?
Finding good quality information on the proper use of snatch straps is difficult. However this makes good reading
I would suggest shackles of wll of 4.75 tonnes and that the motorhome carries two recovery straps. A 8,000kg mbs and a 11,000 kg mbs. Strap is then selected on the weight of the recovery vehicle. PLEASE, please have the tow point or better still RECOVERY point on the motorhome checked out. If the motorhome gets bogged down you could be talking about forces exceeding 10 tonnes. Have said it before, will say it again. Once people are safe your responsibilities end. Do NOT, repeat NOT try a recovery that you are unhappy to do. Walk/drive away from it. Better to be considered an @£$%hole and be safe and have your vehicle safe then try something you are not happy to do. Brendan |
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4th Apr 2013 7:40pm |
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excossack Member Since: 22 Feb 2012 Location: North West Posts: 5842 |
Thanks Brendan, I have passed the info on. 1999 Defender TD5 110
Regards John M0VAZ Econet Station 48 no clock |
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16th Apr 2013 2:23pm |
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tacr2man Member Since: 02 Oct 2008 Location: J10 M40 Posts: 20 |
Dont go getting a big strong tow rope to pull a motorhome exceeding a swl of more than about 5 tonne . The reason is the strength of the end you will be fixing to, eg the towball on the landy or the tow eye on the motorhome. It is far safer to snap a nylon rope than balistically launch a piece of metalwork. I would suggest a nylon rope, with eyes plaited at each end . Certainly dont try and tow with a "snatch" strap or Kerr , especially if the operators are not used to towing . The best answer for any extended towing is a solid tow pole , they are not that bulky and are way safer when dealing with inexperience. There is no minimum length for tow rope , but over 1.5mtr it must be marked , ie with flag, and max length is 4.5mtrs.
Heres a good source http://www.ropeservicesuk.com/tow-ropes Usual disclaimers as to commercial interest HTSH PS have towed a Mack lowloader at 54tonnes , over a mile and push started a two trailer roadtrain with my 110V8 CSW , did it easy .............. its the stopping that is the fun part !! |
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29th Jun 2013 6:23pm |
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excossack Member Since: 22 Feb 2012 Location: North West Posts: 5842 |
The couple in the camper van are already touring France so not sure what they have purchased but an email I got a few weeks ago, did inform me that they have already been stuck on campsite and needed the assistance of the owner with his tractor, 1999 Defender TD5 110
Regards John M0VAZ Econet Station 48 no clock |
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29th Jun 2013 9:08pm |
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