bpman wrote:

cheers, i have adjusted the stops already makes such a difference

I'm taking the 110 to work as i have a large delivery expected, so I'll make a note and check the wheel nuts ... or do you mean the spacer nuts ?

Ideally both sets of nuts but the spacer nuts are really important. If they become loose they create some really interesting driving...

blackwolf wrote:

It shouldn't be necessary to threadlock any of the nuts.

I discussed this with Rakeway when I bought mine, and they assured me that there was no point. I torqued the spacer-to-hub nuts, and (as always) the wheelnuts, and have never had any issues with then in 80,000 or so miles since fitting.

blackwolf wrote:

The idea that the nuts will loosen seems to be like the myth that spacers will wreck your wheel-bearings - one of those popular fallacies which has suddenly become gospel since the advent of the Internet!

Supacat wrote:

Putting it the other way around - is there any harm to be done by using threadlock?

Supacat wrote:

Trying to understand what they meant by "no point" - are the bolts sandwiched so tightly by wheels that the nuts physically cannot loosen?

Supacat wrote:

Wheel spacers will change the loadings/load paths through your hub. It's then a calculation as to whether the revised loadings still fall within original equipment design parameters. If all this is done then there should be no issue - however, which of the companies selling the spacers have done & can publish this information?

Supacat wrote:

To accept an assurance without any real evidence or third party certification seems foolhardy to me on such a safety critical component.

blackwolf wrote:

jst wrote:

you do put greater strain on bearings greater distance out and Cvs with the great arc which with large wheels doesn't help longevity.

Not to any significant extent unless you go for extremes.

Wheel spacers won't affect your wheelbearings any more or any less than wheels with an equivalent changed offset. It is just another of those urban legends that they will.

Unless you opt for a very thick spacer or hugely different offset wheel, the increased loadings on the suspension components should be negligible.

The only aspect of the steering geometry that will be affected is the 'scrub radius', which is a function of the steering axis inclination and camber angle. The scrub radius is the distance between the point at which a line drawn through the centres of the top and bottom swivel pins instersects with the ground, and the line along which a plane through the rotational centre of the tyre intersects with the ground (which is generally outboard of the steering axis interstection point).

The scrub radius will increase if the tyre is moved outwards, either by use of a spacer or by use of a wheel with reduced (ie "more negative") offset. However, the scrub radius will decrease if a larger diameter tyre is fitted without changing the offset, since the act of raising the axle further from the ground will move the intersection point of the steering axis and ground plane outwards. Fitting a wider tyre of the same diameter to a wheel of the same offset won't affect the scrub radius at all, since the increase in tyre with is shared equally on either side of the rim.

The result of this is that fitting spacers and larger tyres will actually affect the steering geometry less than fitting spacers without fitting larger tyres.

The effect of increasing the scrub radius is that the vehicle will be more affected by changes and irregularities in the road surface; for eample, it may be more prone to 'tramlining' in lorry-ruts on motorways, more prone to a wobble when crossing white lines; that sort of thing. When I bought my 07 DC it had 285/75s already fitted on standard Boosts without spacers, and I fitted 30mm spacers as soon as I reasonably could (principally because the turning circle was unbelievable!). I found that the steering performance and handling improved afterwards.

One thing to bear in mind with spacers, especially thin ones, is that the hub/wheel interface may not be as strong as before, and this is probably the area of most concern (and the reason why spacers are not allowed in motorsport). For the spacer to work, the spacer must be bolted to the original wheelstuds and the the wheel bolted to studs fixed in the spacer. Therefore (a) the spacer must be of adequate strength/thickness to mount the new studs securely, and (b) the spacer must be think enough to accomodate the full length of the original wheel-studs AND the thickness of the nuts holding it to the original studs within the thickness of the spacer. With thin spacers, there is relatively little material left to secure the spacer after it has been counterbored to accomodate the nut. I don't believe that any reputable manufacturer makes spacers for LRs which are less than 30mm, and this is the reason.

There is no reason why any of the nuts should ever come loose. There is another urban legend that says the nuts should be threadlocked, but this is not a good idea. If the threads are kept clean with just a hint of copper-grease, and the nuts are torqued correctly, the nuts will not loosen.

Many insurance companies will frown upon the use of spacers and it is not clear why. It may be that they are too ignorant to understand them fully, or more likely they have stats whcih show that cars with spacers fitted are more likely to be involved in accidents than those without, which is probably true in the case of the Corsa-Kiddies but not 4WDs. A specialist insurer should be OK with them.

I hope you did a risk analysis of the behavious of your brollies in the even of an accident - wouldn't want one of those pointy killers loose in the car!

(Actually I thought that was a rather nifty mod).

blackwolf wrote:

I hope you did a risk analysis of the behavious of your brollies in the even of an accident - wouldn't want one of those pointy killers loose in the car!

Just don't say I told you so when I report a punctured lung after heavy breaking.

william8 wrote:

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