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excossack

Member Since: 22 Feb 2012
Location: North West
Posts: 5884

1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue

Sorry to hear/read about the bad news.

It appears that they do the following (maybe in this order)
Removed indicator bulbs (no flashing from the alarm)
Remove the horns (no noise)
Get in and remove interior lights (no cabin light)
Now in darkness
Undo the handbrake, (maybe from underneath?)
Then onto the OBD socket to disable the immobiliser assuming they might use a laptop/other hand held device.?
Trash the barrel and drive off/move the car down the road. or in this case remove what they can and leg it. but have a van on standby to haul away the doors.

So, to make it harder & slow them down

Change the screws in the indicators to non standard ones

Fix and additional or alter the standard interior light so it uses non standard bulbs

Move the horns further back or add an additional horn not accessible as easy

Move the original OBD socket or add an additional one in the correct place and make it 12v live through all pins

Change the door bolts again to non standard ones

Fit an additional separate alarm system with additional door pins/bonnet pins and a loop of wire through the bonnet so when its cut it also triggers the alarm.

Just some random thoughts. 1999 Defender TD5 110

Regards
John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock

5th Apr 2013 12:12pm

YeomanOfTheBar

Member Since: 04 Nov 2012
Location: North Notts
Posts: 210

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 DCPU Santorini Black

excossack wrote:
Move the original OBD socket or add an additional one in the correct place and make it 12v live through all pins

Nice

. Just remember to tell the garage when you take it in for service

2013 Defender 110 XS DCPU

5th Apr 2013 2:45pm

excossack

Member Since: 22 Feb 2012
Location: North West
Posts: 5884

YeomanOfTheBar wrote:
excossack wrote:
Move the original OBD socket or add an additional one in the correct place and make it 12v live through all pins

Nice . Just remember to tell the garage when you take it in for service

You would have to for that, I can't see them being impressed! 1999 Defender TD5 110

Regards
John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock

5th Apr 2013 2:49pm

JWL

Member Since: 26 Oct 2011
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3443

That OBD socket really appeals, even if they trash the motor, it's insured it'll cock up any of their computer kit

5th Apr 2013 2:53pm

excossack

Member Since: 22 Feb 2012
Location: North West
Posts: 5884

I guess you could also go for a OBD socket with a key operated switch to enable/disable it.? 1999 Defender TD5 110

Regards
John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock

5th Apr 2013 3:06pm

shazzy90

Member Since: 17 Dec 2010
Location: tyneside
Posts: 489

worring times

5th Apr 2013 6:58pm

chadjizz

Member Since: 25 Apr 2012
Location: sussex
Posts: 559

2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Orkney Grey

this is why i am applying for a shotgun license

5th Apr 2013 7:35pm

lukev01

Member Since: 24 Mar 2012
Location: Bedfordshire
Posts: 412

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black

Was in a dealership today and noticed a leaflet on LR tracking device.

Does anyone have one? Are they any good? Worth the money?

Will probably be buying a 110 in Sept so definitely want to keep hold of it once I (finally) can have one! 1970 Series 2A 88"

5th Apr 2013 7:39pm

Cakey

Member Since: 19 Feb 2013
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 468

2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black

I have the Landrover Rac trackstar , much the same as all the rest. For my insurance, had to have approved tracker .
Sky tag seems ok and a good price.

5th Apr 2013 7:55pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17598

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

SteveG wrote:
Sorry to hear that, especially after you had gone to such lengths to protect it.

T1G UP wrote:
yep, there getting wise to the security if there accessing the OBD port.

Hardly surprising. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that if you don't want an alarm to go off you disable the horns (Including the BBU that Blackwolf is convinced can't be overcome) and then reprogram a key and fob to car.

By the way, I had thought that fitting a hidden switch to the fuse circuit to the fuel pump would stop the engine from starting, but I found out on my 90 that its still possible to start with fuel pump fuse removed and drive off, albeit in limp home mode.

I have NEVER said it cannot be overcome, and once you have figured out how to do it the first time it is easy enough.

5th Apr 2013 10:10pm

yostumpy

Member Since: 01 Aug 2010
Location: n/kent
Posts: 327

I've had one pinched, then i bought a second 110, love it to bits, but if this goes i WON'T be getting another! life's too short.

6th Apr 2013 5:12pm

SteveG

Member Since: 29 Nov 2011
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 663

blackwolf wrote:

I have NEVER said it cannot be overcome, and once you have figured out how to do it the first time it is easy enough.

No worries, you obviously know different now. When I responded before, you said you'd hadn't heard a case of a PUMA being stolen with a BBU fitted, obviously different now, so that's ok.

Cheers

Steve

6th Apr 2013 5:36pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17598

True, at that time I hadn't heard of one with a BBS fitted being stolen, which isn't quite the same as saying it can't be done. As we all know only too well now, it can be done but it requires more know-how, more equipment, and perhaps more importantly more time that one without.

Whereas at one time I would have thought a BBS was sufficient deterrent, the level of knowledge in the scumbag fraternity is clearly increasing as is sadly inevitable. It also doesn't help when programs like Countryfile teach everyone how to steal bonnets and programs like the scrapyard one mentioned in another thread remind all and sundry how easy and lucrative it is to break one for parts.

I think now the best deterrent is to add as much security as you can live with and make the vehicle as non-standard as possible. Put an armoured cover over the 10AS unit, move the socket somewhere unexpected and use s non-standard connector (easy enough to make an adaptor cable for diagnostic gear, but don't leave it in the car), and wire up a nasty surprise on the original socket. Fit a self-contained alarm with a siren of at least 140dBm in an armoured box in the cabin, which will make it impossible to stay inside if it goes off. Fit two trackers, because when they find the first they will probably stop lookin. Fit the armoured sleeve on the lock barrel. Do the mod to the battery wiring to eliminate that well-known vulnerability. If you are really worried, dent or damage your doors, bonnet and other panels to reduce their resale value. Fit security hinges, move all sirens and sounders to unexpected and inaccessible places. If parked at home, run a lead to a house alarm that will sound if disconnected (shame if they hurt themselves tampering with this one).

6th Apr 2013 6:57pm

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

The quote below is from another 'security related' thread. I am a strong believer that the 'layered approach' to theft prevention is the best solution. In your case this approach probably saved you the loss of the vehicle totally.

K9F wrote:
It certainly surprised me....

This is from another website and I think the 'ethos' behind the 'layered approach' is possibly the best way and is the one I myself have adopted, needn't cost a packet either..for example applying resin/ball bearings to torx screws etc....

It is clear that there is no single magic solution to security. Each security product just buys you time - and it is time that is the real deterrent to potential thieves, not loud alarms nor flashing lights. Most people simply ignore alarms. The more time your vehicle takes to steal, the greater the chance a potential thief will be caught so the more likely they are to move on to a less protected vehicle.

Curiously, the magic time delay is roughly 2 minutes. A delay of 2 mins will make most thieves move to another vehicle. A delay of 4 mins will not give you twice the protection (a case of diminishing returns). However, two security products which each take more than 2 minutes to defeat does seem to offer double the protection. This is the reason specialists recommend a 'layered' approach. Each product provides one layer of protection and you decide how many layers you need for the risk in your area.

If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

6th Apr 2013 7:31pm

pjb

Member Since: 08 Apr 2009
Location: Sunny Oxford
Posts: 1244

Hi Mark

See your selling defender stuff did you manage to get insurance to sort it all out fairly & guessing the defender has now gone

really sorry to see that

good luck in your new choice of transport

2020 P300 HSE

8th Jul 2013 1:41pm

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