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Sylvan



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Wales 
Defender front caliper torque
Hi
could someone guild me to where I coukd find torque setting for the front caliper on a defender 110 xs please?
it's the 4 bolts that hold the two pieces of caliper together.
much appreciated
Post #1037527 15th Jun 2024 11:56am
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Ianh



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Torque settings for Puma https://www.lrworkshop.com/torque-specific...ender-2007

However canโ€™t see the ones you need Sad
Post #1037528 15th Jun 2024 12:27pm
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Sylvan



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Thanks Ian,
yeah I'd been on that page myself and couldn't find them
appreciate your help mate ๐Ÿ‘
Post #1037529 15th Jun 2024 12:33pm
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Martin
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red
I donโ€™t believe there is a factory published torque value as the caliper halves are not intended (by LR) to come apart.  1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW
Post #1037532 15th Jun 2024 1:38pm
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Will@LRW



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Yes there are no official values. If you search the internet hard enough you may find a value between 80 and 90 nm but there is no guarantee that that would be correct.

I split and reassembled some rear calipers about 10 years ago to fit stainless pistons, but swapped to a different axle and caliper setup about 18 months after, so cant comment on the longevity.

I think if doing it again i'd find a way to pump air into the caliper to pop each piston in turn, rather than splitting. (Or buy a new OEM caliper) LR Workshop
Find a Defender's history and spec: https://defender.lrworkshop.com
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custom90



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Go by the generic fixing size torque setting, just back off a couple of NM from the max.
It has stated in the WSM if no specific torque is specified you can use generic torque figures for the fixing size.
I seem to remember LR did have a table for that somewhere in there. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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Sylvan



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Thanks all for your messages, they make sense, unfortunately I had to strip it down to resemble with new stainless steel pistons, there's a rubber washer that joins the two split pieces with a spacer block where the rubber washer fits, inside the rubber washer is a piece of what looks like a pipe, and I think the re fitting of this is critical for the seal of the two parts back together. I've also seen advice about do not split it unless absolute necessary, I don't even think theres a place selling the rubber seals,.
Thanks again guys
Post #1037631 16th Jun 2024 7:33pm
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custom90



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I think it would be best and safest you replace them as new assemblies from the factory, as itโ€™s not worth taking any risks at all in any way.
Just my opinion. You also have peace of mind then also. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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Sylvan



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Your absolutely correct ๐Ÿ‘
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MR_JAMES



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is it a square section washer? I recently rebuilt the ap calipers on my mini (real not german one) - I was able to get genuine ap part from minispares centre. Range rover classic had similar if not same 4 pot caliper, the seal for that is 17h8764 which is also available from minispares or if you put an L on the end the usual land rover suppliers. 1953 80"
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Sylvan wrote:
Thanks all for your messages, they make sense, unfortunately I had to strip it down to resemble with new stainless steel pistons, there's a rubber washer that joins the two split pieces with a spacer block where the rubber washer fits, inside the rubber washer is a piece of what looks like a pipe, and I think the re fitting of this is critical for the seal of the two parts back together. I've also seen advice about do not split it unless absolute necessary, I don't even think theres a place selling the rubber seals,.
Thanks again guys


These are called gallery seals and their unobtainability is the strongest argument for not splitting the calipers. Sometimes you're lucky and they are obtainable, but usually it is extraordinarily difficult to find the right ones. Do not be tempted to improvise, these are safety-critical parts.
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Mo Murphy



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Front Caliper gallery seals - 3851-739

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Post #1037650 17th Jun 2024 3:38am
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Sylvan



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MR_JAMES wrote:
is it a square section washer? I recently rebuilt the ap calipers on my mini (real not german one) - I was able to get genuine ap part from minispares centre. Range rover classic had similar if not same 4 pot caliper, the seal for that is 17h8764 which is also available from minispares or if you put an L on the end the usual land rover suppliers.

Thanks Mr James
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Sylvan



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would anyone know the correct size of the bleed nipple please?
Post #1037656 17th Jun 2024 7:23am
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jst



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 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
[quote="Will@LRW"
I think if doing it again i'd find a way to pump air into the caliper to pop each piston in turn, rather than splitting. (Or buy a new OEM caliper)[/quote]

Why not just take the pads out and use hydraulic pressure from pedal to push pistons out?

Failing that remove caliper from vehicle and use plumbers wrench, failing that for cut a groove in piston with angle grinder and use pry bar.

If its seized flush with caliper body, which I haven't seen before then there's another problem. Cheers

James
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