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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2669   
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By kangaroo, do you mean it jerks? Now that I'm doing a lot more off-roading, I am starting to notice that in 1st Low, the landy tends to jerk, esp when going uphill on loose-ish rocky surfaces - is that normal? -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged 
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12th Mar 2013 9:26am |
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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1596  
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Only does it sometimes in 2nd gear high box. Happens loads when other people drive it.
Low box it's the best one I've had so far. |
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12th Mar 2013 1:05pm |
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| me@td5.org Member Since: 16 Jan 2011 Location: Warwick Posts: 856 
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LR quote the same performance figures from the 2.2 as the 2.4 so I see no reason why not. 
We will have to wait and see what they actually produce |
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12th Mar 2013 1:33pm |
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| big steve Member Since: 24 Dec 2009 Location: hertfordshire Posts: 2456 
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i appeiate that bu as is supposedly he td5 bu all engines have different ecus and i would exspect alot differen calibations hat can be changed or un changed ?
steve 2015 2.2 tdci hardtop xs 3.2 conversion DONE 238bhp and 707nm torque and thats just the start ;-P hybrid turbo in build -done ready to fit ashcroft atb in transfer box 6 speed auto in build |
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12th Mar 2013 1:55pm |
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| Porny Site Sponsor Member Since: 31 Aug 2009 Location: Sutton Coldfield - West Midlands Posts: 810 
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The 2.2 is actually the older engine (designed before the 2.4) - and very capable by it's design. Wonder if anyone can work out why? - i.e. what actually makes it better than the 2.4 (in engine design terms)... it is a very rev happy engine for this reason. In terms of power, I have already had 470Nm from the standard engine without a problem... 410Nm and 445Nm are quite safe upgrades. I just need to get my tool finished - so can flash via OBD in a reliable way (especially when I have other companies waiting for the tool). There are lots of improvements to be made with the standard calibration - outside of any performance enhancements. Ian IRB The home of the first modified Keswick Green 90 - and the first 2.4 Puma through both the 200bhp and 550Nm barriers. www.IRBdevelopments.com www.facebook.com/irbdevelopments www.integrated316.com www.facebook.com/integrated316 |
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12th Mar 2013 2:35pm |
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| keith Member Since: 15 Aug 2012 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 2237 
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Pete , I have taken off the centre box and end box which leaves only the DPF pipe . I only speak of its removal as my understanding was that its because of the introduction of the DPF that's the reason for the 2.2 problems ? It might work well on modern engines and cars but the defender is no modern car . To be fair it's doing its job as there is no soot at the rear end but to The cost of the running and performance of the engine and drivetrain . The mapping of the ecu to get the engine to conform to emition controls is making it run like a bag of nails . I don't care what fans of the 2.2 say about this ( new engine ) it's not suitable for a defender , even LR say the same . So if your " get the 2.2 running the way it should do " remap is all that's required then the DPF pipe can stay and in event of any problems with it then its LR's problem .. Hope to see you soon enough . Keith . |
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12th Mar 2013 2:40pm |
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| big steve Member Since: 24 Dec 2009 Location: hertfordshire Posts: 2456
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i agree with you Ian totally but as you probly think as well its just strange that they can reach exactly the same figures for both engines ? as you say there can be cosiderable gains from both engine as you have proved from your own 2.4 but at what cost and what damage i do admire you for what you have got from a 2.4 but will it last can be sold as a reliable warranted job ? 
steve 2015 2.2 tdci hardtop xs 3.2 conversion DONE 238bhp and 707nm torque and thats just the start ;-P hybrid turbo in build -done ready to fit ashcroft atb in transfer box 6 speed auto in build |
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12th Mar 2013 2:57pm |
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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1596
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If this engine is the older one do transit owner remap them. If so how has that affected the reliability?
Or do I take it Land Rover have just used the main components and fitted their own ecu etc. Also I have noticed from all the various threads about that Land Rover have updated the ECU. If this is the case should I push to get mine done. |
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12th Mar 2013 3:22pm |
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| Porny Site Sponsor Member Since: 31 Aug 2009 Location: Sutton Coldfield - West Midlands Posts: 810
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Why is it strange? Especially when the 2.2 is a rev happy little engine. I wouldn't put my name to my work if I didn't think it was reliable - don't get me wrong my level of tune is pushing the safe window - but still within the engine capabilities. It's not finished yet either - will be back on the rolling road soon with a few more tweaks. All I've done is met (and exceeded) the figures a lot of other tuners claim - but don't seem to back up. As far as I'm aware no tuner within LR circles offers any form of warranty - and from experience helping customers, a lot of the other companies are very quick to try and fob off the customer when something does happen. Ian IRB The home of the first modified Keswick Green 90 - and the first 2.4 Puma through both the 200bhp and 550Nm barriers. www.IRBdevelopments.com www.facebook.com/irbdevelopments www.integrated316.com www.facebook.com/integrated316 |
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12th Mar 2013 3:23pm |
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| big steve Member Since: 24 Dec 2009 Location: hertfordshire Posts: 2456
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lol i do agree with you there and i do agree hat alot of other tuning companys do blow alot of wind 
steve 2015 2.2 tdci hardtop xs 3.2 conversion DONE 238bhp and 707nm torque and thats just the start ;-P hybrid turbo in build -done ready to fit ashcroft atb in transfer box 6 speed auto in build |
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12th Mar 2013 3:52pm |
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| rover Member Since: 26 May 2012 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 150
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My mistake, the article about JE Engineering and their remap for the 2.2tdci was in 4X4 magazine.
I find the 2.2 anoying in 2nd gear high box, it does not like pulling low revs, starts juddering and jerking. 3rd gear is fine I can go down to 1000 revs and its nice and smooth. I am hoping that an update to 2013 software may help at service time. How much is an ECU so I could keep it standard for service and then put a modified ECU on afterwards? |
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12th Mar 2013 5:08pm |
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| bell-auto-services Member Since: 08 Jul 2007 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 2233 
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I feel the 2.2 is actually better than the 2.4 and as said by Ian does rev more freely with its shorter stroke.
Pete |
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13th Mar 2013 8:58pm |
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| bell-auto-services Member Since: 08 Jul 2007 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 2233
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Ecus are arround 400 from memory, they was on back order or classed as no stock a couple of week ago but i have some coming soon. The 2013 update has very little changes to the earler ones but it does seme to help and the more torque demand from the remap will also help when pulling gears at lower revs. Overly wide wheels do seem to also cause a lot of drag and from the cars ive driven can contribute towards a drivtrain clunk when changing gears. Pete |
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13th Mar 2013 11:07pm |
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| vito115 Member Since: 29 Aug 2012 Location: kent Posts: 29 |
Thought the 2.4 came out around year 2000 along with the 2.0, then the 2.2 appeared in the Transit in 2007 as tdci same as the 2.4 ?
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14th Mar 2013 10:19pm |
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