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| ajps72 Member Since: 08 Jan 2012 Location: Lima Peru Posts: 105  
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mmmm Doesn´t sound too bad, good Idea I will try removing mine or installing softer ones. Augusto
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31st Jul 2012 3:55am |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610  
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Think that's good? Try this..... I fitted a Tornado GR Mk4 Aircraft nose cone to the front of my Defender and now I'm getting 82.3MPG.. 
 If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!
Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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31st Jul 2012 4:53am |
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| bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069 
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come on Mal - let's have a photo
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31st Jul 2012 6:11am |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610
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Steve, it makes me laugh!  If people are prepared to go to such lengths to eek out an extra couple of MPG maybe they're driving the wrong vehicle in the first place. I'd rather keep the mudflaps and give other road users an element of consideration and protection of the extra crud I'm likely to be throwing at them (as well as my own vehicle) without them.
Get a proper remap to gain noticeable increases in performance and fuel economy if you can keep your right foot from using the extra torque. If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!! Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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31st Jul 2012 6:27am |
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| XS Pete Member Since: 13 Jan 2011 Location: Suffolk Posts: 632 
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Is that OK from a C&U perspective to drive around with them removed? I can't think of any other vehicle, execpt maybe tractors, where most of the rear of the wheels is exposed. It must throw load of crap out the back.
Regards Pete |
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31st Jul 2012 7:28am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17386 
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There is no legal requirement for mudflaps on the back of a Defender as far as I know, nor for that matter on any other non-HGV vehicle. There are more Landrovers on the road without mudflaps than there are with, and many (eg all military ones) leave the factory without any fitted. If, however, you come back onto a public highway after driving off-road and either make an excessive mess on the highway, or bombard the car behind with crud, you are committing an offence and (especially if the car behind is a Police car) will probably be pulled. It won't be for having no mudflaps though, it will be for other offences. I suppose that there might be issues if as a result of removing the mudflaps you cause an accident and your insurers find out that you have modified the vehicle by removing the mudflaps and this action has consequently caused the accident. In this case you would probably be uninsured as a result of a non-declared modification, although it is difficult to see how it could be proven that the removal of the mudflaps directly resulted in the accident. |
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31st Jul 2012 7:52am |
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| T1G UP Member Since: 08 Dec 2009 Location: Bath Posts: 3101 
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why worry about anyone elses motor! do they give a
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mud flaps are a pain.....an afterthought. i have a plan to rectify the rear flaps issue. |
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31st Jul 2012 7:52am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17386
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I find it hard to believe that anyone would remove the mudflaps simply to improve the fuel consumption of a Defender, and I suspect that the OP (Shax) has removed the mudflaps for other reasons and has incidentally found an improvement in fuel performance. If you are that desperate for fuel mileage, don't drive a Defender!
I presently have no rear mudflaps on mine (one fell off and was lost in Dorset's great floods a few weeks ago, and it looks stupid with just one, so I took the other off to match) and to be honest I don't notice much difference in ejected crud. It seems to throw up no more without them than it did with them. The benefits are that they now can't rip holes in the bodywork when you reverse over them, or when prolonged flapping work-hardens the panel the outer end is attached to. |
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31st Jul 2012 7:59am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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That sounds like about 10%, which seems like an unfeasibly large increase just for removing the mud flaps  I suspect other factors at play. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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31st Jul 2012 8:04am |
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| Shax Member Since: 05 Oct 2010 Location: London Posts: 391
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I removed them to derust and respray the brackets, and never got round to refitting the airbrakes as I think it looks better without them. Re people whinging about chucking up excessive amounts of spray, if people were to leave a bigger gap in the rain, then it wouldn't be an issue.. And with regard to dropping mud on the highway, how will mudflaps that are already caked in several inches of mud reduce what the tyres chuck out? Just for info, I used to get a regular 28.5MPG, filled up this morning, and it works out at 30.4... ... ,-------, .. I [__][_]|__ .. I __ |"_|"__| .. "(o)====(o)" ^^_-^-_^-^_^^^^^--^^^^ PAUL G7ALW 14.200 USB 26FB458 / 27.275 SSB |
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31st Jul 2012 8:52am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17386
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It will be interesting to see if this improvement is sustained, a single fill is not a long enough test to be conclusive since other factors may well be at play. It is however food for throught. Although I do record fuel purchased and the mileage at each fill I haven't yet calculated MPG for the period after the flaps came off, but it will be interesting to do so in the light of your observation. Shax, is yours a 90 or 110? |
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31st Jul 2012 9:05am |
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| GREENI Member Since: 22 Aug 2010 Location: staffs Posts: 10382
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I'm considering an LS1 lump and auto in mine,
economy, I cycle work 99% of the time  |
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31st Jul 2012 9:08am |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586 
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106 MPG changing the external shape of my Defender.....
Now I have a little more room also.................. Click image to enlarge Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition
IID Pro MV License |
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31st Jul 2012 9:47am |
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| Shax Member Since: 05 Oct 2010 Location: London Posts: 391
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It's a 90XS. ... ,-------, .. I [__][_]|__ .. I __ |"_|"__| .. "(o)====(o)" ^^_-^-_^-^_^^^^^--^^^^ PAUL G7ALW 14.200 USB 26FB458 / 27.275 SSB |
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31st Jul 2012 10:07am |
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