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Tuli

Member Since: 17 Oct 2012
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 9

1996 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Alpine White

Third World Travel

Newbie. Hi everyone.
I have a fully equipped 300Tdi in South Africa and have driven Cape-London, North and Central America now looking at South America.
300 is trapped in SA due to paperwork and I am in UK now. I use the Tdi in Southern Africa (Botswana, Namibia, Mocambique, etc) for my Bush Fix twice a year and it is ( albeit a bit slow, old) perfect but....

Now the question: I drove the 2.2 at a LR Experience last week. A revelation. Thinking of buying one BUT it will have to do the dirty diesel routes -

Is the DPF a real issue and if so can it be overcome?
Can I replace the rear Traction control diff with an air locker? (without confronting electronic issues).

If discussed elsewhere my apologies. Thanks.

Informative, mature (mostly)

site - well done everyone.

17th Oct 2012 9:39am

JSG

Member Since: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 2412

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

The export 2.2 models sold in Africa don't have a DPF so I think the view is that they can't. John

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2011 Tdci 110 CSW XS

17th Oct 2012 10:57am

Regard

Member Since: 08 Dec 2011
Location: RSA
Posts: 251

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 X-Tech LE Orkney Grey

JSG wrote:
The export 2.2 models sold in Africa don't have a DPF so I think the view is that they can't.

I won't trust that so much.

According to LR our Defenders should also not have a Catalytic converter and if you look on our vin numbers it also states "Non-Catalytic".

But we ALL have Cats in South Africa.

Might be the same with the DPF---not sure but IIRC our 2.2's do have the DPF......?

17th Oct 2012 11:36am

JeremyJ

Member Since: 16 Nov 2011
Location: Aylesbury
Posts: 1758

If someone could PM me the last 6 digits of a VIN from an African 2.2 I will have a little look at the build spec. VIN is visable on the plate facing out of the windscreen

17th Oct 2012 11:48am

Regard

Member Since: 08 Dec 2011
Location: RSA
Posts: 251

Jeremy wrote:
If someone could PM me the last 6 digits of a VIN from an African 2.2 I will have a little look at the build spec. VIN is visable on the plate facing out of the windscreen

I've got a 2.4 so no help but like I mentioned, from my VIN it states that my build spec is "Non-Catalytic" but I just removed mine last week........and so does all Pumas in SA have cats.

17th Oct 2012 12:02pm

Tuli

Member Since: 17 Oct 2012
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 9

Thanks.

I have just got back from SA after living there for twenty odd years. I should have checked on their spec I guess. SA now has the 50ppm Diesel which would be fine but out of town it is rare. I am sure other developing countries will be much the same particularly in South America. BTW my old 300Tdi prefers the old 500ppm diesel.

It sounds like I could take the DPF off when I leave on a trip out of Europe. Yes? Otherwise it is the 2.4. If I buy a ROW spec I can't bring it back to UK.

I will try and find an SA 2.2 VIN 'Regard". Tx.

17th Oct 2012 5:09pm

Eduardo

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Región Metropolitana
Posts: 2110

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey

Tuli,

Depends of what countries are you expect to visit in SouthAmerica.
At least Chile have a very good Diesel (Similar to European standards)
Argentina also have a decent diesel as far as you use well known brands (Euro Diesel)
Probably the same situation in Brazil, Uruguay, Venezuela, Colombia. Im not sure about the quality of the fuel in Peru, Bolivia ans Ecuador.

So, I will not be so worry about bring a 2.2 here. probably you will have the same problems that you can expect i Europe.

Cheers Eduardo

MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64'
MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"

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17th Oct 2012 5:32pm

Sockpuppet

Member Since: 17 Sep 2011
Location: Leicester
Posts: 479

JSG wrote:
The export 2.2 models sold in Africa don't have a DPF so I think the view is that they can't.

Remember DPF = for Euro 5 certification which only applied to Europe. If they don't need they won't fit them.

17th Oct 2012 6:01pm

chadjizz

Member Since: 25 Apr 2012
Location: sussex
Posts: 559

2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Orkney Grey

its true, there is a guy on here running a SA ecu map so he can run a de-DPF here in the uk.(kingsof the something is the user name...)

17th Oct 2012 7:13pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4661

chadjizz wrote:
its true, there is a guy on here running a SA ecu map so he can run a de-DPF here in the uk.(kingsof the something is the user name...)

Here he is.
http://www.defender2.net/forum/member1503.html 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

18th Oct 2012 6:06pm

Tuli

Member Since: 17 Oct 2012
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 9

Thanks again. Great to hear from someone one in South America Eduardo and fantastic mouthwatering pics!
Tx 'spudfan' I will chase him and his expertise down.

It looks like the 2.2 might be OK all round, even if I have to do a bit of surgery before shipping. However, teh 2.4 might do the job just as well.

Any thoughts on the locking diff? Anyone?

Tuli

18th Oct 2012 6:52pm

MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
Posts: 2415

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White

IMHO stick with the 2.4 (it is better). It is unlikely low S diesel will be everywhere soon. Puma 110" SW

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Earth first. Other planets later

18th Oct 2012 9:09pm

Eduardo

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Región Metropolitana
Posts: 2110

Cheers Tuli

Probably a 2.4 will be better, but I dont see huge problems using a 2.2.

Some values

Colombia have 50 ppm (Ecopetrol)
Brazil 50 ppm from 2013
Venezuela 500 ppm
Chile 15 ppm in the metropolitan area an 50 ppm in the countryside
Argentina 10 ppm (Euro Diesel) to 150 ppm depends of the type
Peru 50 ppm in Callao and Lima and 5000 ppm in the countryside
Bolivia have 350 ppm
Ecuador have now 500 ppm instead the 7000 ppm that have one year ago
Paraguay 2500 ppm but you can get 50 ppm in the premium

I hope that can help you

Cheers Eduardo

MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64'
MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"

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19th Oct 2012 1:41am

robharvey

Member Since: 14 Dec 2009
Location: Durban
Posts: 86

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White

Regard wrote:
But we ALL have Cats in South Africa.

Might be the same with the DPF---not sure but IIRC our 2.2's do have the DPF......?

Correct about the CATS, but in SA we definitely don't have the DPF's in our 2.2's. I have a written confirmation from LRSA confirming as much.

The servicing schedule from LR is quite clear regarding diesel quality. 50ppm only allows you to extend up to 20k, 500ppm and you service at 10k, anything higher and heavy duty work, you service at 5k (all km's).

I still think the 20k interval is madness for African conditions, hence I do it at 10k regardless if I use 50ppm or not.

19th Oct 2012 4:41am

Regard

Member Since: 08 Dec 2011
Location: RSA
Posts: 251

robharvey wrote:
Regard wrote:
But we ALL have Cats in South Africa.

Might be the same with the DPF---not sure but IIRC our 2.2's do have the DPF......?

Correct about the CATS, but in SA we definitely don't have the DPF's in our 2.2's. I have a written confirmation from LRSA confirming as much.

The servicing schedule from LR is quite clear regarding diesel quality. 50ppm only allows you to extend up to 20k, 500ppm and you service at 10k, anything higher and heavy duty work, you service at 5k (all km's).

I still think the 20k interval is madness for African conditions, hence I do it at 10k regardless if I use 50ppm or not.

Yip, I agree on the 20k interval.....madness

I also do only 10k, infact my last two services was only 7k appart but I am more than happy to spend those extra few bucks on my Defender. I also change ALL filters on every service!

19th Oct 2012 8:53am

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