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hopeydaze



Member Since: 11 May 2011
Location: Bath
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United Kingdom 2006 Defender 90 Td5 SW Cairns Blue
I was getting the same click, click, click as you. Previously it eventually started but by last weekend no start at all.

Turned out the battery needed replacing. The assumption is that it was broken inside so that sometimes a plate could have been touching and otehr times it was in place. This was the original LR battery from 2006. Reason for the breakage is probably due to the rollover in December when it decided the best way to handle black ice is on it's side.

Lots of panels were slightly dented and it it turns out so was the battery but nothing else.

Might be worth trying a spare battery but at up to £150 for a good one I wouldn't rush to buy a replacement
Post #127927 1st Mar 2012 10:20am
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excossack



Member Since: 22 Feb 2012
Location: North West
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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue
The starting demons descended on the Landy again.....
10min drive to the petrol station, fill up car started OK.
25mins drive to the horse riding centre. Left car for about 1hr came back to it, Crank Crank Crank.. No sign of starting. Stopped & waited 5 mins tried again. Click Click Click.
Got underneath and checked the voltage at the starter solenoid wire 12.0v.
Ran a positive jump lead from the main battery to the starter solenoid and it spun over, but no start.
Ran an earth the starter/gearbox but no change.
Jumped two batteries together no start and got click click,
Got the wife to turn the key while I hit the starter with a wheel brace and the starter spun over.

In the end got a tow start off a Isuzu Trooper... and the car started fine.


Starter issue? Either way the starter is coming out tomorrow for another check. 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock
Post #128107 1st Mar 2012 9:42pm
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AtleCM



Member Since: 15 Apr 2011
Location: Kristiansand
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Norway 2005 Defender 110 Td5 SW Java Black
Not sure if this is mentioned before...but a friend of mine needs to knock on the relays underneath the seat (in Norway on the passenger (right) side) sometimes to get the starter running. Atle CM
Norway
Def 110, S2a 88, S3 109, S2b FC
Post #128158 2nd Mar 2012 7:52am
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excossack



Member Since: 22 Feb 2012
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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue
Last night I removed both the relays(Yellow and Black) from under the seat (drivers UK side) and gave them a clean. I have also tried replacing the yellow relay with a normal relay and no joy.
I didn't hear any chattering of the relays either.

Its starting to get annoying!!!! 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock
Post #128188 2nd Mar 2012 9:41am
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excossack



Member Since: 22 Feb 2012
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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue
Went to the local Autoelectrics shop today and had a chat with them about the starting issues. Their suggestion was the starter solenoid. (despite me already replacing it) So I returned with a starter motor a little while later.
Got a phone call to say they have had a look at the starter motor and the windings that control the plunger are at fault. The windings are sparking causing the plunger to basically bounce up and down and not make a good contact, hence the car not starting because the engine is not spinning quick enough for the ECU to start the engine. Sounded like a sound theory to me.

So this afternoon I sourced a new starter motor and then got home and in 25mins I had the new starter back in and the car starting. The starter sounds different to the old one and appears to start quicker....Time will tell. 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock
Post #128252 2nd Mar 2012 5:33pm
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wslr



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Just make sure you fitted a OEM/Genuine Part Denso. Any other and you'll be back to square one in 12 months.
Post #128322 2nd Mar 2012 10:11pm
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excossack



Member Since: 22 Feb 2012
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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue
Are the non OEM/ Genuine Denso that bad?

Thanks for the warning., I will keep it in mind...Eeek 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock
Post #128345 3rd Mar 2012 8:52am
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wslr



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The aftermarket units are usually not worth buying.

Like I said earlier, the cheaper ones can cause signal intererence on the crank sensor wire, so when cranking the vehicle won't start because the ECU isn't getting a timing signal from the flywheel.

Just make sure it is a Denso - Like this one:
http://www.island-4x4.co.uk/starter-motor-...-3985.html
Post #128375 3rd Mar 2012 11:35am
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excossack



Member Since: 22 Feb 2012
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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue
The one I got looks the same as that one including the two extended breathers. 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock
Post #128395 3rd Mar 2012 1:43pm
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Warwalks



Member Since: 04 Nov 2012
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Hi, I've been having the same problem for about 6 years! Keep changing the Battery but now this has stopped charging. Just changed the alternator but still not charging. Battery light is always off. charge from alternator is down at 11.70v when running. So, did changing the starter motor fix the random starting problem?

Looking at the wiring diagram the alternator connects to the battery via the starter motor. Could this be my problem - ideas anyone? Ex pat Landy owner in Normandy looking for hints and tips
Post #182112 4th Nov 2012 8:31pm
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excossack



Member Since: 22 Feb 2012
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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue
Since swapping the starter motor all has been good. 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock
Post #182143 4th Nov 2012 9:01pm
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Phoenix90



Member Since: 04 Mar 2012
Location: Cornwall
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
Warwalks wrote:
Hi, I've been having the same problem for about 6 years! Keep changing the Battery but now this has stopped charging. Just changed the alternator but still not charging. Battery light is always off. charge from alternator is down at 11.70v when running. So, did changing the starter motor fix the random starting problem?

Looking at the wiring diagram the alternator connects to the battery via the starter motor. Could this be my problem - ideas anyone?


Check your fuses in the main box by the gearstick. There is a fuse (cant remember which one) that if it blows the alternator stops charging....
Post #182177 4th Nov 2012 11:29pm
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