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| 90 Dreamer Member Since: 13 Jul 2019 Location: Oop North Posts: 2154   
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That link doesn't seem to work so try this
https://ee.ricardo.com/news/emissions-deterioration-–-the-cinderella-of-vehicl Basically low mileage, well maintained older vehicle are NOT the issue...... |
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29th Jan 2023 12:09pm |
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| Moo Member Since: 01 Oct 2021 Location: UK Posts: 1374 
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But higher mileage, poorly maintained are.
Whats your solution? |
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29th Jan 2023 12:36pm |
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| Moo Member Since: 01 Oct 2021 Location: UK Posts: 1374
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Maybe his car just misses the Euro 6 cut off. His is an early 2015 Mercedes. Could it be possible that the dealer got it wrong believing it was Euro 6. It's only Euro 6 if DVLA says so.
I nearly got caught out looking at a 2015 D4 that the dealer old me was EU6. It wasn't, but it was one of the last EU5 engines. Also, he can drive in Bath because it's not charging private cars. |
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29th Jan 2023 1:04pm |
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| 90 Dreamer Member Since: 13 Jul 2019 Location: Oop North Posts: 2154
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And many brand new vehicles are deleting GPF's / Cat's and mapping to suit........ Maybe actually look at the vehicles with some common sense, like I don't know a yearly emissions test or some such?? All its doing for me is making me look at much older stuff with modern drivetrains as there is nothing newer that allows me to do what I need without getting lots of DPF issues, etc |
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29th Jan 2023 1:28pm |
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| 90 Dreamer Member Since: 13 Jul 2019 Location: Oop North Posts: 2154
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Also its about time tat we had some realistic method of seeing the emissions / pollution caused by modern vehicles including EV's that may be clean on a 'local' basis whilst destroying someone else's back garden!!
How 'green' is it to replace your vehicle every couple of years against keeping them for 15years+ ?? |
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29th Jan 2023 1:31pm |
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| Ianh Member Since: 17 Sep 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 2004
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Irrespective of whether these zones, especially there expansion, can be justified. It’s the method of implementing them that’s totally undemocratic.
Using a restriction based on charging people effectively says those that have money can pollute as much as they like and drive unfettered as the roads are cleared of the people that can’t now afford to drive. I noticed last week on the news about people getting money for not using electricity at peak usage periods due to wanting to avoid overloading the grid. Now it’s not going to be the richer people, who in general use more power in larger homes that will go for this, it’s the poorer people that are already cutting usage to the bone anyway. Yet no one said should it be the larger domestic power users that are targeted during peak load periods, not by financial incentives but by actually capping their use during these periods. Not one reporter or journalist highlighted that this was yet another undemocratic policy. What I would like to see, for congestion zones and power usage in general, is alternative democratic proposals put forward that are based on individuals, not on the individuals ability to pay, and I’m not seeing anything from any political party as yet or hear any reporter or journalist question the politicians regarding alternative solutions. |
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29th Jan 2023 2:04pm |
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| Moo Member Since: 01 Oct 2021 Location: UK Posts: 1374
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I'm not sure why people complain about these things. All you've got to do is look at the political parties manifestos to see what they plan to do. This is Sadiq Kahn's:
https://sadiq.london/wp-content/uploads/20...festo-.pdf Start at page 52. A solution I've thought about is to have stricter MOTs and emission tests. Rather than relying on Euro standards, why not have higher emission standards to see if older cars do comply or can be made to comply? This way it's more affordable and also reflects better the embedded energy in older cars. I agree about electric cars not being as green as they are portrayed. Other people are paying a high price for materials etc. |
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29th Jan 2023 2:17pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17384 
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The problem with the political slant is that since ALL parties have been brainwashed into green territory by St Elon and his acolytes, the electorate has no choice. A major flaw with our electoral system is that you cannot vote for "none of the above" or nobody, you can decline to vote but that doesn't achieve the same result. If it was possible for an election to result in nobody winning until such time as someone came up with an electable manifesto, we might get somewhere.
And let us not also forget that the majority of the problems we are ineffectively and controversially trying to legislate away are directly due to the fact that there are too many people crowding a small planet with finite resources, yet nobody dares even to mention this. Some degree of reproductive self-regulation will one-day become both essential and inevitable. Perhaps by making it far harder for (young) people to own and use cars, our policy-makers are subtly trying to reduce back seat activity and accomplish a reduction in population. If so, it is unlikely to work, after all you'll have to pass the time while the battery is charging somehow!  |
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29th Jan 2023 3:56pm |
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