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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2760  
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There's a guy on Youtube called Harry's Farm and he had one for 12 months, he did a fair bit off road with the coil sprung 90 HT
l've done moderate off road driving with mine, it's like my old Defender really. Nothing l did troubled it, and l didn't use any of the off road driving modes such as mud/ruts, rock crawl etc. |
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23rd Jan 2023 8:31am |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 722
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Thanks will give it a watch, I suppose I meant any technical off roading.
All of the IRS/IFS models (D3/4, RRS, L322, L405 etc) with Terrain Response and/or extra locking diffs are quite capable due to the traction systems. But IMO they are less capable natively off road than a traditional Defender and fully rely on the traction systems to make progress. It's really only the open diffs that will stop a live axle Defender, which is easily rectified in the the aftermarket (or TCS equipped TD5/Puma models, albeit the TCS is less good than the newer models). I'd expect the coil new Defender to be more willing to lift wheels and be less stable vs the air one. Would be interesting to see some side by side comparisons. Watching some USA channels like the TFL, the new Defender did struggle on some of the Colorado trails they took it on. I wonder if the coil one would struggle even more. On paper the answer would be yes, but it would be interesting to see. |
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23rd Jan 2023 10:11am |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2760
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lf the air sprung version had more articulation then l guess it would do a bit better (than the coil sprung one)
But you can't beat the old Defender live axle set up! l won't ever trouble the off road limits of my new Defender but if you're worried about it then go for the air suspension and also the rear locking differential. With the air spring option you can raise the ride height by a few CM over standard plus l think it does it automatically if you select one of the off road driving modes. lt depends on how serious your off reading is likely to be. The standard one is pretty good. |
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23rd Jan 2023 11:52am |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4209 
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I think Russ at Ardventures has done plenty in Morocco in his coil sprung 90. I think there’s a piece in a recent LRO. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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23rd Jan 2023 12:29pm |
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| Retroanaconda Member Since: 04 Jan 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 2644 
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This guy in the US takes his some pretty queer places. Various lifts and modifications applied too.
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23rd Jan 2023 1:47pm |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3395
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I believe LR used coil sprung models for the off road press test drives when they launched the 90, all they had fitted was the rear ediff. I liked the coil suspension, relatively comfortable and felt a bit more characterful. 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue |
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23rd Jan 2023 8:29pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2760
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Less to go wrong as well !
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23rd Jan 2023 8:36pm |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3395
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Here you go, LRs launch of the 90
Silver one with black roof is on coils 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue |
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23rd Jan 2023 8:39pm |
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| geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4410
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I am sure this 90 is excellent off-road, but... ...it does look like the love-child of a New Defender 90 and a Can-Am quad bike  Looks strangely out of proportion and I am not sure that the bar work suits the Defender styling at all.
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23rd Jan 2023 9:02pm |
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| Retroanaconda Member Since: 04 Jan 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 2644
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Yes it looks rather daft, something to do with the large subframe lift and 35” tyres I suspect. You know what the yanks are like for putting the biggest tyres they possibly can on everything.
I’ve no doubt it’s exceptionally capable though. |
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23rd Jan 2023 9:45pm |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 722
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Thanks. All the ones I'd seen had been air. As where all the vehicles at the Eastnor Land Rover Experience centre when I went. Although they were all 110's. I did ask the instructors about the coil version and it was, non of them wanted to comment on them. |
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24th Jan 2023 1:03pm |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 722
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Awesome, thanks.  |
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24th Jan 2023 1:03pm |
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| geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4410
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Yes it is an unfortunate craze that has caught on here as well now... Massive tyres with massively aggressive tread patterns. Then you end up with damage like below as people find new and "exciting" ways to use there choice in rubber... https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic86118-15.html But as you say, incredibly capable vehicle. I also own a Freelander 2, which is utterly brilliant with all its TC electronic gizmos and quite frankly as the L663 is several iterations more advanced than the Freelander 2 it must be superb in the right hands... |
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24th Jan 2023 1:14pm |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 722
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Good vid, hadn't seen that one before. Although mostly just a slippery surface, so all about the traction aids really. Not a lot of articulation going on. I'd love to see how it would do on a more technical off road setting. The wheel travel of the new Defender with EAS was impressive: Click image to enlarge Although in real world use it seemed unable to make use of all of the wheel travel, lifting wheels frequently: Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge My guess is the coils would be worse, but I'd like some real world examples to back up my hunch. On the flip side, I can drive my p38a Range Rover round the same obstacles and never lift a wheel. |
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24th Jan 2023 1:16pm |
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