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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17376   
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Encouraging that at least one engineering mind is thinking in the right direction.
See also https://www.defender2.net/forum/post914216.html from July 2021. |
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23rd Jan 2023 12:33pm |
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| Nick-St Member Since: 23 Apr 2013 Location: Surrey Posts: 267 
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Harrys Farm @ JCB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDKLoLUQgH0 |
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23rd Jan 2023 2:15pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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This is clearly becoming a big deal in heavy plant:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64248564 Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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23rd Jan 2023 2:20pm |
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| Race.it Member Since: 27 Aug 2019 Location: Algeciras Posts: 817  
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LRA I was going to post that link. Hydrogen and diesel in an existing engine. Sounds promising Searching for my first Defender...and started just as Covid hit, so talk about timing.
5 months after starting the search I found it, and here is the details |
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23rd Jan 2023 7:53pm |
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| Procta Member Since: 03 Dec 2016 Location: Sunderland Posts: 5166
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i am sure ford did a prototype 20 years ago with a hydrogen powered car, waste product was water.
I have a feeling that this will be the way to go and electric powered cars will do a U turn. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back Success is 90% Inspiration and 4 minutes Preparation # you can make it! |
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25th Jan 2023 12:24am |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149 
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Electric powered cars are feasible, electric (battery) commercials are not, so great to see JCB leading the way on a working alternative. I understand there will still be infrastructure issues about the transport and storage of the fuel but I'm sure that will be overcome. 2011 110 USW
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25th Jan 2023 6:52am |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 1051  
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After all the energy turmoil the last year or two it is hard to imagine a power grid that can charge all these vehicles and heat all these houses. In France they are (were) talking about rolling blackouts, which is common in states like California (summer) and Texas (winter). That is prior to any meaningful electrical car load. Where is all this electric energy going to come from?
Liquid fuels ARE much easier and efficient to distribute among the planet than gaseous fuels. They also provide more security against (short) supply disruption. During the fuel transport strikes in France I kept filling my diesel tank full when I could and had a few jerry cans as well. (We had to park up my wife's car for a few weeks because we ran out of petrol) I can't help but think that the old 'technology will solve the problem' is running out of steam and what we need is a fundamental and unpopular change in lifestyle: less of everything. Since I work from home I do a fraction of the miles I used to do. |
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25th Jan 2023 7:33am |
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| Bowbearer Member Since: 12 Aug 2022 Location: Norfolk Posts: 170 
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I think the Government see Electric as a stop gap. They didn't invest in the Battery Factory in the North East and are investing silly money into Bacton to turn it into a Hydrogen plant.
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26th Jan 2023 2:27pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4209 
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The issue is not really getting an engine to run on hydrogen, that's been around for many many years. The difficulty with hydrogen is the production, transport and storage. You need a lot of energy to make it and it is much more difficult to handle than petrol or natural gas. I think it's going to be best suited to depot or site based vehicles that return to a single place for refueling, so I think you'll see its use in heavy trucks and plant (as here) for that reason, plus their unsuitability for batteries will offset some of expense and inconvenience that'll come with hydrogen. I can't see a big network of publicly available hydrogen filling stations taking over from the petrol station we have now.
Regarding whether the grid will handle the load of electric charging... I've heard directly from National Grid that the National and Regional distribution networks (I don't recall the correct terms here) are fine, but it is local distribution that will struggle. However, to paper over that issue until it's fixed they are now installing charging stations with a big battery alongside that sort of trickle charges at a tolerable rate constantly even when the chargers aren't in use, and this then feeds the high demand of the chargers when needed. It's sort of like a buffer, like how a water header tank in a house works. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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26th Jan 2023 5:23pm |
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| Berni99 Member Since: 02 Jan 2022 Location: Bath Posts: 37 
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Excellent comments Bluest. Thanks for the effort.
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26th Jan 2023 6:23pm |
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| 90 Dreamer Member Since: 13 Jul 2019 Location: Oop North Posts: 2152 
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It was likely a lame duck before it even got going, some strange happenings today the least - no fan of this lot but they called it right in holding back any public cash https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/...production |
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26th Jan 2023 9:06pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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That wasn't a policy-based decision, though. It was because that specific project didn't do what they said they would to meet the criteria to receive the money. Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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27th Jan 2023 7:19am |
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| kenzle8a Member Since: 12 Feb 2020 Location: None Posts: 1074 
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Synthetic fuels will be our main stay for decades to come.
Electric cars really need to be able to do tripe if not four or five times the distance of a ICE car to really be a proper long term solution, not just an equivalent. I know in certain circumstances at present you can run an EV for a lot less, however the days of free charging will end. For plant, haulage, farming etc Hydrogen and electric will leave us with a lot of expensive junk sat about in a couple of years. All IMO of course. |
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27th Jan 2023 8:26am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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Free charging in Stirling city ends on 1st Feb - cost is not unreasonable 35p/kW on fast chargers, 25p/kW on the slow AC chargers. It had to come and wasn’t going to last for ever and it’s still a huge amount cheaper than charging at the likes of Gridserve and Ionity - it would help if commercial CPO’s didn’t have to levy 20% VAT on charging whereas VAT is only 5% if you charge at home. And in 2025 VED of £165 will be levied on all EVs, it’s zero at the moment Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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27th Jan 2023 11:22am |
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