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| CDN38 Member Since: 14 Nov 2014 Location: Courtenay, BC Posts: 729   
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"Factory air con doesn't need the pushed out grill. I've seen td5s and Pumas with factory AC without it. Depends on market. Italy and Spain trucks for the td5 and Africa for the Puma" This is what I have recently been told...
However... I find it hard to believe that the factory would have different versions of air conditioning for the Defender, based on where it's going to be sold. I am aware that dealers did often install aftermarket AC systems in new vehicles, and those would not have the extended grill to allow the extra space for the condenser. Am I incorrect in assuming that all FACTORY installed AC had the bump out in the grill?? Can anyone put down some proven facts on this? it's a Landrover thing... my renovation thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic40792.html |
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25th May 2016 1:53am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5804  
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Must say, I always assumed as you have said, that Factory AC, bump out, no AC flat front. However, I have just bought a MY 03/2011 2.2 with bump out and no AC. So, it might be that AC fitted cannot do without it, but just looking at the nose with a bump out does not guarantee it's been fitted, if that makes sense?  Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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25th May 2016 6:36am |
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| nickhodgson Member Since: 08 Dec 2009 Location: Zambia Posts: 174 
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My understanding is that there is only one type of factory Aircon Condenser for a Puma and when its installed you need the extended grill surround. I think all cars with a flat front and Aircon then are using an aftermarket kit. The aftermarket kit may well have some factory parts in it but it seems not the Condenser. 1995 300tdi Defender 90 P/UP
2011 Puma Defender 130 D/C 2000 300tdi Defender 110 P/UP 2015 Discovery 4 SDV6 HSE |
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1st Jun 2016 1:32pm |
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| Justtellme Member Since: 23 Nov 2015 Location: Ottawa Posts: 310 
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My 2003 td5 German market with factory ac has the bump out grill. I looked at about 20 used defenders before buying this one last year and have yet to find one in this age group near me in the Neth, Deu, Belgium and one in Luxembourg with ac and a flat grill....had to buy 2003 or older to bring back to Canada in summer 2018.
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1st Jun 2016 8:38pm |
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| Lotus_esprit_s1 Member Since: 01 Oct 2014 Location: Uk Posts: 201 |
I have had a 300tdi and 19J with factory fitted aircon. Both these had the standard flat front, but was a bit of a squeeze getting the condenser between the rad and the slam panel support stays. Pre td5 didn't have a front mounted intercooler, rather it was to one side next to the rad. I can't see how with the td5 / puma intercooler being front mounted how it would be possible to get the condenser in there without the protruding aircon front panel.
A frien of mine has a unmodified UK model 2006 td5 90. This truck is a base spec as they come - steel wheels with 205's, vinyl seats, no radio, doesn't even have a heated rear screen or rear window wash / wipe (which I thought was standard even on the base models since the 90's) yet it has been specced with full aircon from the factory! |
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2nd Jun 2016 7:06am |
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| doublea Member Since: 12 Jul 2011 Location: Aberdeenshire Posts: 495  
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Bit of a thread resurrection here...
I've been experimenting with grill styles, I like the old heritage style insert now that it is green, but I hate the sticky out grill surround.  Click image to enlarge Trawling through the search of "sticky out" finds this quote from this thread; http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic7922.h...p;start=30 [quote="Glynparry25"]I have no pictures at the moment, but could take some once I am home. Basically: Take the grill off (screws at top and sides). When you look at the condenser you will see a box section bracket around the edge holding it in place. All I did was un-bolt it all, moved the bracket in front of the condenser and then bolt it all back together.
Only thing with the lines is that you have to push them back a little so just make sure you don't catch them on anything. Then you are finished. I see that glynparry hasn't posted for three years. Has anyone done this mod recently? My 2015 110 has aircon as standard, but I can't see that re-fitting the condenser thing behind the rectangular frame will move it and the fan back far enough to allow the standard grille to fit, as the intercooler directly behind the condenser sticks out too much. Click image to enlarge I reckon the frame would need to be moved back behind the lower mount. Click image to enlarge Current Steeds: 2015 110 UW in Grasmere Green 2003 BMW F650 the Hack 2000 Elise 1992 Ducati 888 (no longer in bits, yahoo) 1990 TDR 250 (in bits again) 1988 TDR 250 (no longer in bits) and for sale |
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20th Dec 2016 12:23am |
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| stebsy Member Since: 07 Sep 2022 Location: NSW Posts: 2  
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Doublea, Looking to do this exact same mod. Did you have ay luck moving the A/C back? If so would you mind sharing some details?
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7th Sep 2022 1:38am |
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| rustandoil Member Since: 08 Sep 2012 Location: Cotswolds Posts: 735  
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This is interesting.... I have the front grille off my 110 at the moment, I will have a look to see how much space is there
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7th Sep 2022 5:07am |
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| stebsy Member Since: 07 Sep 2022 Location: NSW Posts: 2
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Let me know your thoughts eddie, would love to know if its possible.
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7th Sep 2022 5:54am |
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| rustandoil Member Since: 08 Sep 2012 Location: Cotswolds Posts: 735
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...its tight!!! there's only 12/15mm between the air-con condenser and the intercooler and about the same between the intercooler and the radiator.
Moving both these back would not be enough the flat a "flat front"....however there is around 40mm between the fan and the rad, I suppose you could move the whole lot back? To much messing around for me..... It will be interesting to see if anyone comes up with something  |
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7th Sep 2022 7:58am |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3401  
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The one I have seen with aircon and a flat front use an aftermarket condenser and condenser frame. Still use the same Spal fan. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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7th Sep 2022 8:33am |
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