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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298   
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not a nice experience.
in my younger and even more naive years I swapped from steel wheels to alloy wheels. clearly the alloy wheels are thicker than steel effectively making the wheel bolts too short. I didn't give this any consideration until a wheel fell off while turning right at some traffic lights 
I can't see the wheel recesses having paint in them is the issue as there's enough examples of that out there on new cars - the plastics washers however
plastic washers - thats a new one on me a sounds problematic ? Last edited by Caterham on 19th Aug 2022 7:35am. Edited 1 time in total |
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19th Aug 2022 6:43am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17362  
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What vehicle, what wheels and where did the wheel nuts come from?
Are you talking about a Defender (which doesn't have bolts, it has nuts)? If so, no standard wheel nuts for the classic Defender have "plastic washers". I have never heads of a standard wheel with standard wheelnuts which have been correctly tightened coming loose on a Defender or Series Land-Rover. It possibly has happened, but it is such a rare event it is simply not on the problem radar. |
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19th Aug 2022 7:24am |
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| Cariadycwm Member Since: 16 Mar 2018 Location: Llangors Posts: 5  
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Had a few hairy issues with a VW T4 previously, changing steel to alloy, with nuts loosening and wheel coming off!! Used the wrong wheel bolts.
Alloy wheels require tapered seat bolts. Steel wheels require radius bolts. I'm assuming your Sawtooth's are alloy. |
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19th Aug 2022 7:47am |
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| donmacn Member Since: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Nth Scotland Posts: 1841 
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Hate to be pedantic, but can we try and use the right terminology?
I can't post images here, but on most (all?) Land Rovers - certainly my Defender and Range Rover - there are threaded studs on the hub, the wheel is "lifted onto these" and then "nuts" are used to hold the wheel in place. It can be very confusing to understand someone's issue/question if the wrong words are used. I have had a wheel come off, because the wheel nuts weren't properly tightened. In hindsight I know why this happened, but in 20 years or more of LR driving that was a first. Donald 1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong (The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html ) 2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8 in the past.. RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi 1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box 1993 Discovery 300Tdi not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper... |
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19th Aug 2022 11:02am |
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| hank Member Since: 12 Sep 2016 Location: South Wales Posts: 2296
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Not heard of plastic washers on wheel nuts before, worrying! > 110 XS Double Cab
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19th Aug 2022 11:53am |
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| Cariadycwm Member Since: 16 Mar 2018 Location: Llangors Posts: 5
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I correct my terminology, the bolts on my VW T4, were not the correct alloy seat bolts and constantly came loose until correct alloy bolts were fitted.
In the case of a Landrover my understanding is that depending on the shape of the seat and wheel manufacturers recommendations, correct alloy nuts may need to be used with alloy wheels on the threaded studs. |
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19th Aug 2022 1:52pm |
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| donmacn Member Since: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Nth Scotland Posts: 1841
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^^
I think this is right - the original steel wheels, and matching nuts had corresponding/matching tapers which fitted together. I've seen alloy nuts which also had this type of taper, and I think would be OK to use on steel wheels (a steel spare for example). There are other alloy nuts which have a flat end, and this wouldn't engage properly with the steel wheel. Pictures would make that clearer - sorry I can't do that at the moment. I prefer the tapered alloy nuts as it also helps them to slot into the wheel if it isn't precisely aligned. The flat faced ones aren't so forgiving. There might well be other subtleties here that I don't know about. Donald 1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong (The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html ) 2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8 in the past.. RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi 1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box 1993 Discovery 300Tdi not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper... |
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19th Aug 2022 3:05pm |
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