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Tufty



Member Since: 27 Nov 2020
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United Kingdom 2005 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Cairns Blue
Refitting heater box
Hi all,

I have taken or the heater box on my TD5 to replace a worn and leaking heater matrix. The matrix is now fitted in the heater box and I have new seals for the air intake and heater box to bulkhead. I have tried putting the heater box back in to the engine bay but it just doesn't seem to want to go back in! It's there any knack to it? It wasn't immediately obvious how the new seals should be fitted, so I may have got that wrong which could be my problem - does anyone have pics of those? The ones on there before had disintegrated so hard to see how they should have been.

Thanks all.
Post #940275 30th Jan 2022 9:08pm
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donmacn



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Hi,

I feel your pain.

My experience is of a Tdi, rather than Td5, but I don't think the heater boxes changed much between these two models.

The big, thick rectangular and 'offset' seal is the challenge I think - STC952. It seals the gaps between the heater assembly and the bulkhead, but needs to be compressed to get the bolts to fit. A challenge if you've only two hands.

The last time I struggled with this, I took the wing off - honestly:

https://www.defender2.net/forum/post689136.html#689136

I know there's not much on a Tdi to stop the heater box being wrestled out (maybe a Td5 is different) but getting it back in, and then the seals compressed and in the right place.... it's just a Censored

If you're finding it difficult, and thinking that you must be doing something wrong.... possibly not. A pic of what you're dealing with would help just to confirm that all is as it should be. Donald

1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong
(The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html )
2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8

in the past..
RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi
1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box
1993 Discovery 300Tdi

not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper...
Post #940308 31st Jan 2022 10:54am
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Tufty



Member Since: 27 Nov 2020
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Hi Donald,

Thanks for your post. On the one hand knowing it is a pain of a job is comforting, but on the other hand I really was hoping I was doing it wrong! Photos are attached, one of the heater box with the new heater to bulkhead seal siliconed to the box and another showing the engine bay with the new heater to air intake seal circled in red.

Thanks,
Simon
Post #940335 31st Jan 2022 2:20pm
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jpboost



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I'm afraid I don't know anything about how to fit it, but here's your pictures:


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Post #940342 31st Jan 2022 3:29pm
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Tufty



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Thank you!
Post #940345 31st Jan 2022 3:36pm
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donmacn



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Ok.

The seal you've circled in red, I woudn't worry about till later. I'd remove the grille from the wingtop; undo the screws holding in the duct; and then try and push it as far forward/out of the way as you can.

You do also have the Td5 wiring loom etc, and what looks like a MAF sensor making life a little more awkward.

But I think the real issue is the size and strength of that big seal, which you've fitted correctly. I think I might have trimmed that back a little, if my memory's right.

If you can wrestle the heater roughly into place, you might be able to fit a length of threaded rod into the two captive nuts in the bulkhead. Then, put some nuts on and slowly 'wind' the heater box in against the bulkhead, and replace the threaded rod (one at a time!) with the proper bolts...? I've only just thought of that, and maybe not explained it very well.

Potentially, you could use a similar approach to then line up the two fixings into the footwell??

If I've not made that clear, I'd be happy to sketch it. It comes to mind because I did something else awkward over the weekend - fitting bushes to a RR P38 trailing arm. The solution was a long length of threaded bar and some big washers, so I'm turned on to the power of a threaded puller.

Then - back to the wing duct - without the grille in place, you can get your hand down into the duct, slide it forward and check that the seal is in place. Donald

1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong
(The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html )
2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8

in the past..
RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi
1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box
1993 Discovery 300Tdi

not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper...
Post #940347 31st Jan 2022 3:49pm
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jimbo55



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I have recently been fitting and removing the heater matrix a few too many times lately (heater matrix leak and then a few weeks later the fan motor died) on my td5 and it is a bit fiddly

I put the gasket between the wing intake and heater matrix on the heater box itself.

Then wriggled the heater box into roughly the correct place and everything was close I fitted the large seal between the heater and the bulkhead and then finally bolted it all up and then connected the pipes, cables and connectors.
Post #940388 31st Jan 2022 7:11pm
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Tufty



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Donmacn,
I did try moving the duct, but the screenwash reservoir is in the way and that looked quite an involved job to move!

Thanks for the tip on the threaded bars, sounds like a good idea and I will try that tomorrow, as well as trimming some off the bulkhead seal.

Thanks Jimbo55 for your tips too.

I will let you know how I get on. This is up there with fitting the LOF clutch spring!
Post #940414 31st Jan 2022 8:23pm
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jimbo55



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One other thing, if you disconnect the multi plug (circled in green) it enables you to move the harness right out of the way which helps. It does have the BBUS connections so make sure you cycle the ignition as you would if you remove the battery to prevent the alarm going off

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Post #940440 31st Jan 2022 9:27pm
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