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Mo Murphy

Member Since: 01 Jun 2008
Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts
Posts: 2217

1984 Defender 90 BMW M57 3.0 Diesel HT Auto Pennine Grey

^^^^ what Steve said.

Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen.

50 Shades of Pennine Grey

22nd Dec 2021 12:55pm

I Like Old Skool

Member Since: 23 Feb 2015
Location: Manchester
Posts: 808

1994 Defender 110 300 Tdi ST Coniston Green

SteveG wrote:
The laws are there to stop fraudulent activities and unsafe practices of cut and shuts that led to dangerous vehicles being sold on to unsuspecting buyers.

The OP has replaced the chassis with a like for like replacement that is in no way inferior from a safety point of view. It doesn’t fit with the exact wording of the law, but equally it’s not been done to try and defraud or has resulted in an unsafe vehicle. He’s also stated he’s happy to do whatever with DVLA to make it compliant.

So, it’s not worth ruining this thread with arguments over what’s legal or not. We can leave it up to the OP to sort that out, and can we get back to talking about the rebuild please 👍

Luckily, the OP seems to have taken on board and accepted that there is a legal way to go about this which produces a legitimate, road legal vehicle at the end.

I don't think it ruins the thread to be clear about the legalities of what we do in our hobbies. Put simply, if you take a used chassis from another vehicle to replace the chassis of your own car, regardless of how much you alter or modify that chassis to fit, you lose the right to the identity of your own vehicle. Its the RULZ! The OP has replaced the chassis with a used one from another vehicle, simples.....

Another point worth bearing in mind. If the OP decides to follow some of the terrible advice given upthread and masquerade his 90 under the i.d of the original 90 (sure, even weld in the chassis number, coz that can't be illegal!?!?!) then how grateful for that advice will he be if/when the product of all his hard work is seized and crushed with no recompense?

22nd Dec 2021 2:21pm

Mo Murphy

Member Since: 01 Jun 2008
Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts
Posts: 2217

I think you made your point already old skool, no need to perpetuate it. Let's keep the thread on topic.
If you'd like to educate the greater audience, write a definitive post on the subject and see if Martin will make it sticky rather than butting in on someone's thread and making disparaging comments.
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen.

50 Shades of Pennine Grey

22nd Dec 2021 3:45pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17346

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

Without wishing to bang on about legalities, it should be remembered that you are legally required to notify any change to a vehicle's wheelbase, even if you stretch or shorten the original chassis. Many people seem to be unaware of this.

I wouldn't dream of telling the OP what he should and shouldn't do, but some comments about legalities on a forum such as this are relevant since they may answer questions or inform readers. I would however recommend that no-one announces their intentions on a public forum, especially if considering something nefarious, since it is asking for trouble.

22nd Dec 2021 4:02pm

Dinnu

Member Since: 24 Dec 2019
Location: Lija
Posts: 3409

2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black

Is it illegal to replace the rear cross member?
Is it illegal to replace the rear quarter chassis?
Is it illegal to replace most of the chassis except the front right chassis leg?

If any of the above questions is yes, where is that line that changes the answer from no to yes? 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black

22nd Dec 2021 6:55pm

Mo Murphy

Member Since: 01 Jun 2008
Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts
Posts: 2217

😴

Come on guys let's leave some room for more of Jim's posts about his build, I'm MUCH more interested in that.
👍
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen.

50 Shades of Pennine Grey

22nd Dec 2021 7:18pm

Chugga90

Member Since: 07 Sep 2014
Location: Bucks
Posts: 208

Jim G wrote:

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So .... its been along journey .... many other projects !! But I am back on the 90 again. I have had the chassis and bulkhead sand blasted and galvanised ,

And the vehicle carry these treasures is? Pictures please? Looks interesting from the bits you can see?

22nd Dec 2021 8:15pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17346

Dinnu wrote:
Is it illegal to replace the rear cross member?
Is it illegal to replace the rear quarter chassis?
Is it illegal to replace most of the chassis except the front right chassis leg?

If any of the above questions is yes, where is that line that changes the answer from no to yes?

No, no and no, in that order, provided that you use new equivalent parts and the chassis is essentially unaltered afterwards. If you use parts taken off another vehicle the situation becomes very obfusc, and if the chassis is substantially different afterwards (for example, the wheelbase is altered) you are required to notify.

22nd Dec 2021 10:53pm

VVS210

Member Since: 12 Nov 2016
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 953

Already been said but going to repeat as it doesn't seem to have sunk in...

Jim knows what he's doing & will do what's necessary re the dvla, now please stop honking about it & let him get on & post about what we're all interested in & that's his rebuild!

Just saying.

23rd Dec 2021 7:59am

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