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| Setok Member Since: 16 Jan 2009 Location: Helsinki Posts: 422  
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I think the answer is almost universally the reputation for reliability. Most will agree the Defender looks better and is more capable. For some it will also be comfort or size (personally I find Landies quite comfortable). Reliability was the answer from every single Icelander I met when travelling there in a Landy. In the 70s and 80s they had Land Rovers everywhere. You'll still regularly see them, but Toyotas have become way more popular. The thing is I'm not even sure if the reliability issue is true. Certainly we haven't had any problems with our TD5. But the reputation is there. I also think the poor reliability of RRs etc pull down the reputation of the Defender. |
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7th Oct 2011 10:54am |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2638  
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Yeah? Brand new Puma drifting left since new. Replaced entire front axle and the pull is almost gone. Found out yesterday that 2 bolts securing the driver's side top panel to the bottom panel were never secured. MT82 gearbox is c-r-a-p. Rear diff failure on too many Pumas to count Ditto for clutch issues, vacuum pump, EGR valve, etc., etc. -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged 
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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7th Oct 2011 11:30am |
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| Setok Member Since: 16 Jan 2009 Location: Helsinki Posts: 422
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How much of it is just pure build quality rather than inherent unreliability? I'd probably agree the build quality could be improved. Can't really comment on the Puma, though. We have a 2003 TD5, which has so far been great.
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7th Oct 2011 5:35pm |
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| mikelike Member Since: 31 Aug 2011 Location: new zealand Posts: 108 |
thanks setok , I guess land rovers reputation for unreliability does have a large role in there sales , but in our markets down under , the age of the Defender is the biggest problem . Interior packaging , dust sealing and water leaks from a 70000 dollar car is not acceptable . Engine size and performance is also way behind the competition but ultimately bang for your buck , the Defender is way to expensive ! No doubt land rover are working on a disco replacement , so why dont they use the current disco platform as it is for a replacement . Use the same architecture , change the roof line , strip it of electronics , a modern take on the defender grille , long wheelbase variant for double cab , steel springs and keep them lovely engines @ 2.7,3.0 and 4.4 , then whalla , a new defender . Surely it would be an economical way forward , then introduce the DC100 as a smaller serious suzuki size urban chic thing !!!
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7th Oct 2011 9:35pm |
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| Ads90 Member Since: 16 Jun 2008 Location: Cots-on-the-Wolds Posts: 809  
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Is 'whalla' Kiwi for 'voila'?
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8th Oct 2011 9:59am |
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| BigMike Member Since: 13 Jul 2010 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2253
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Depends on use really. My experience in selling my 90 was an eye opener. Many people seem to want to buy a used defender which has never been used offroad ie what defenders are made for. I've also been pretty surprised by the seemingly large number of members here which have never and dont ever intend to use the vehicle offroad. I can only think that its because of liking the looks of it / to use as a people carrier / whatever else. If LR is going to aim the new defender at that market, it's just not going to be as capable offroad, and really, why should it be? Witness the high sales of toyota, mitsubishi and nissan pickups for the commercial market. LR can't compete with with the kind of manufacturing process it employs. Also, if it wants to crack america, it ll have to be very different in terms of equipment etc.
In this country, lets face it, the days of green lanes being open are numbered, and no matter what GLASS does, the fight will be lost eventually. so why should LR design a vehicle for the die hard purists which are a small market. Certainly for desert environments toyota kicks the arse of landrover in terms of reliability of drivetrain and suspension components, there's just no question about it. The evoque is LR appealing to a large market, and why not? its a business, not a shrine to enthusiasts. the new vehicle (I think) will be somewhere between an evoque and a defender to get the bigger market, i just cant see it being a hardcore offroad biased vehicle. |
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8th Oct 2011 10:17am |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149 
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Regarding greenlanes, the day will come when all the ramblers have rambled off into their graves (they are usually old duffers) and then we may have a fighting chance of redressing the balance. Nowt to stop some laning enthusiasts becoming PMs either... Over on the LRO forum they are talking about a new IVECO 4x4, sort of their take on a 90, shows how IVECO are already moving in for the kill as Landrover exits the utility market. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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8th Oct 2011 1:29pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731  
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It's no joke. See: and &NR=1 Matt Tell someone you love them today because life is short. But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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8th Oct 2011 2:00pm |
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| BigMike Member Since: 13 Jul 2010 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2253
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Matt, thats not the iveco theyre talking about. its this
Looks like the old toyota! |
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8th Oct 2011 2:29pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731
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God that's ugly! It looks like something the Russians/Yugoslavians would build during the Cold War. Does it have a chassis? I prefer the IVECO on the YouTube clips - might buy one and square it off, Landy-style  Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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8th Oct 2011 2:35pm |
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| BigMike Member Since: 13 Jul 2010 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2253
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Its an old design. I wouldnt be wild about the spring set up either really.
I've heard of people converting the iveco daily into a camper but not seen any pics of one which has been done. Its also not exactly an everyday vehicle |
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8th Oct 2011 2:37pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149
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I reckon Landrover should drop the stupid DC100 idea and build some proper utilities, like that daily 4x4, I'm sure Landrover could do it, they managed it back in the 60s afterall... 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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8th Oct 2011 2:55pm |
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| BigMike Member Since: 13 Jul 2010 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2253
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I still think that when the dc100 is finally released that you ll all want one
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8th Oct 2011 2:59pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149
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I rather doubt it... :p 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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8th Oct 2011 3:49pm |
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